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My thought is that this is not going to last. Law enforcement is completely different from a year ago, when they "couldn't find" who was ransacking Apple retail

My thought is that this is not going to last. Law enforcement is completely different from a year ago, when they "couldn't find" who was ransacking Apple retail stores. There are many lawful forms of expressing your views.

atq2119 2y ago
Isn't most law enforcement in the US at a state or local level? Why would that be completely different from a year ago?
- g42gregory 2y ago
  I would guess that the multiple interstate locations will bump it to the Federal level. Exactly as it would have, with the Apple stores.
fishnchips 2y ago
Yes, after the recent promotional event at the White House I can easily imagine protecting Teslas becomes a top priority, and that damaging one is punishable by death.
- wood_spirit 2y ago
  Trump did literally say during that event that attacking Tesla showrooms was domestic terrorism.
  - UncleEntity 2y ago
    I'm sure the apartheidist made similar statements when Musk was a child. Didn't really work out for them IIRC.
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    It is unequivocally terrorism to participate in violence against civilians with the aim of causing political change. And it's domestic because it's here. It's definitionally correct.
    - n4r9 2y ago
      Spray painting Teslas is not "violence against civilians". Even setting fire to them in a showroom is debatable if it's at night when no one's about.
      - milesrout 2y ago
        [flagged]
      - mrangle 2y ago
        It is terrorism, indisputably. Arguing other point is relatively inconsequential. But if we were to argue the point, to argue that spray-paint isn't "violence" isn't going to have much credibility when it's perceived to be from the long standing "words are violence" and "silence is violence" crowd. A selective standard is no standard at all. How the spray paint differs is that it is property destruction in service of intimidation toward a political end.
        acdha 2y ago
        Does that mean that Republicans engaged in terrorism when they threatened to hang journalists, shoot immigrants or Democrats, etc.? Seems like the courts might be overloaded if we redefine every threat as an act of terrorism.
        outer_web 2y ago
        We need a new word then, for hijacking planes and driving explosives-laden boats into tankers. Any ideas?
        Jensson 2y ago
        Why? Not all crimes with the same name is of the same severity.
        n4r9 2y ago
        It's certainly disputable: https://lisa-legalinfo.com/2019/09/11/spray-paint-and-violence-what-is-physical-force-against-property-update-for-september-11-2019/ https://lisa-legalinfo.com/2019/09/11/spray-paint-and-violen...
lesuorac 2y ago
Honestly, I don't think the article supports the headline. ex. "The cost to insure a Tesla Model 3 went up 30 percent last year.". Nothing happening in March of this year is affecting the price of insurance from last year. I have no doubt that stuff happening in March of this year will affect insurance prices this year but Tesla insurance is just expensive because the availability of Tesla repairs is low. Whether or not law enforcement (which is most likely state level and therefore didn't change this year) can figure out whose doing vandalism isn't going to affect the price as significantly as Tesla's own inability to repair vehicles.
- smileysteve 2y ago
  Agree Tesla and Tesla charger vandalism was high last year by the anti-ev crowd It's expected to be higher occurrence, but less measurable (ie, petty vandalism) by the anti Elon crowd
ge96 2y ago
Unfortunately a Tesla is not under $900
- smileysteve 2y ago
  But it is more difficult to prove criminal intent and value paint, metal, and tire damage. If Sentry mode records the perpetrator, the cops have to find it criminal, and then the DA decides to prosecute.... Good luck civilly pursuing every door ding or the mustard that fell off a sandwich -- even if somebody holds their ID up to a sentry mode camera, or drives off with their license plate clearly visible.
smileysteve 2y ago
The insurance in question is more about individual cars rather than stores; And while Teslas have Sentry mode that could detect things like paint, door dings, tire vandalism to record a criminal act, law enforcement has rarely been able to enforce much except the extreme or flagrant.
UncleEntity 2y ago
Law enforcement, comprised completely of government workers, is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose? I think it's more likely they'll start enforcing jaywalking laws against children playing hockey in the street. Now, I'm not saying anyone should vandalize someone else's car for political reasons but as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Law enforcement, comprised completely of government workers, is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose? Law enforcement has both generally been spared direct cuts and had federal accountability measures removed, so they, and especially the worst actors, have plenty of reason to friendly to the regime.
  - UncleEntity 2y ago
    Sure, but how many are either veterans or are friends with veterans?
- Ferret7446 2y ago
  Law enforcement, comprised of local workers, are accountable to their local citizens. I don't think they have any particular beef against cutting federal workers. > as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective. Terrorism is generally effective. That's kind of the point, to effect change through violence. Although hopefully, that effect doesn't escalate to enforcement of real ID on the Web to deal with all of the people promoting terrorism on social media platforms.

atq2119 2y ago

Isn't most law enforcement in the US at a state or local level? Why would that be completely different from a year ago?

g42gregory 2y ago
I would guess that the multiple interstate locations will bump it to the Federal level. Exactly as it would have, with the Apple stores.

fishnchips 2y ago

Yes, after the recent promotional event at the White House I can easily imagine protecting Teslas becomes a top priority, and that damaging one is punishable by death.

wood_spirit 2y ago
Trump did literally say during that event that attacking Tesla showrooms was domestic terrorism.
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  I'm sure the apartheidist made similar statements when Musk was a child. Didn't really work out for them IIRC.
- renewiltord 2y ago
  It is unequivocally terrorism to participate in violence against civilians with the aim of causing political change. And it's domestic because it's here. It's definitionally correct.
  - n4r9 2y ago
    Spray painting Teslas is not "violence against civilians". Even setting fire to them in a showroom is debatable if it's at night when no one's about.
    - milesrout 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - mrangle 2y ago
      It is terrorism, indisputably. Arguing other point is relatively inconsequential. But if we were to argue the point, to argue that spray-paint isn't "violence" isn't going to have much credibility when it's perceived to be from the long standing "words are violence" and "silence is violence" crowd. A selective standard is no standard at all. How the spray paint differs is that it is property destruction in service of intimidation toward a political end.
      - acdha 2y ago
        Does that mean that Republicans engaged in terrorism when they threatened to hang journalists, shoot immigrants or Democrats, etc.? Seems like the courts might be overloaded if we redefine every threat as an act of terrorism.
      - outer_web 2y ago
        We need a new word then, for hijacking planes and driving explosives-laden boats into tankers. Any ideas?
        Jensson 2y ago
        Why? Not all crimes with the same name is of the same severity.
      - n4r9 2y ago
        It's certainly disputable: https://lisa-legalinfo.com/2019/09/11/spray-paint-and-violence-what-is-physical-force-against-property-update-for-september-11-2019/ https://lisa-legalinfo.com/2019/09/11/spray-paint-and-violen...

lesuorac 2y ago

Honestly, I don't think the article supports the headline. ex. "The cost to insure a Tesla Model 3 went up 30 percent last year.". Nothing happening in March of this year is affecting the price of insurance from last year. I have no doubt that stuff happening in March of this year will affect insurance prices this year but Tesla insurance is just expensive because the availability of Tesla repairs is low. Whether or not law enforcement (which is most likely state level and therefore didn't change this year) can figure out whose doing vandalism isn't going to affect the price as significantly as Tesla's own inability to repair vehicles.

smileysteve 2y ago
Agree Tesla and Tesla charger vandalism was high last year by the anti-ev crowd It's expected to be higher occurrence, but less measurable (ie, petty vandalism) by the anti Elon crowd

ge96 2y ago

Unfortunately a Tesla is not under $900

smileysteve 2y ago
But it is more difficult to prove criminal intent and value paint, metal, and tire damage. If Sentry mode records the perpetrator, the cops have to find it criminal, and then the DA decides to prosecute.... Good luck civilly pursuing every door ding or the mustard that fell off a sandwich -- even if somebody holds their ID up to a sentry mode camera, or drives off with their license plate clearly visible.

smileysteve 2y ago

The insurance in question is more about individual cars rather than stores; And while Teslas have Sentry mode that could detect things like paint, door dings, tire vandalism to record a criminal act, law enforcement has rarely been able to enforce much except the extreme or flagrant.

UncleEntity 2y ago

Law enforcement, comprised completely of government workers, is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose? I think it's more likely they'll start enforcing jaywalking laws against children playing hockey in the street. Now, I'm not saying anyone should vandalize someone else's car for political reasons but as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective.

dragonwriter 2y ago
> Law enforcement, comprised completely of government workers, is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose? Law enforcement has both generally been spared direct cuts and had federal accountability measures removed, so they, and especially the worst actors, have plenty of reason to friendly to the regime.
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  Sure, but how many are either veterans or are friends with veterans?
Ferret7446 2y ago
Law enforcement, comprised of local workers, are accountable to their local citizens. I don't think they have any particular beef against cutting federal workers. > as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective. Terrorism is generally effective. That's kind of the point, to effect change through violence. Although hopefully, that effect doesn't escalate to enforcement of real ID on the Web to deal with all of the people promoting terrorism on social media platforms.