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There's nothing new here. From AirDrop to AirPods, Apple's MO is to lock you into their ecosystem and be as belligerent as possible toward any non-Apple gizmo.

There's nothing new here. From AirDrop to AirPods, Apple's MO is to lock you into their ecosystem and be as belligerent as possible toward any non-Apple gizmo. Couple that with social and network effects, and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech.

briandear 2y ago
I like the ecosystem. If you don’t, choose another ecosystem.
- csours 2y ago
  "Love it or leave it" - why not make it better?
  - pparanoidd 2y ago
    It's constantly getting better. If it wasn't then competitors would surpass it, but they never have.
  - shuckles 2y ago
    Allowing support for a rich ecosystem of mediocre smart watches does not move the needle on making it better for me personally. And Apple probably has done the market research to confirm most of their customers are like me and not like Pebble users.
    - csours 2y ago
      > And Apple probably has done the market research to confirm most of their customers are like me and not like Pebble users. I'm sure. The customers they do not have are like Pebble users, and they don't want customers like Pebble users. They want customers like Apple Watch users. It is a bit 'masque of the red death' to defend anti-competitive practices, is all I'm saying.
      - shuckles 2y ago
        How is it anti-competitive for Apple to pick its own customers? A decade ago, Android used to argue that open was better. Now, people seem to argue that closed should be illegal.
- lucianbr 2y ago
  I like that the EU forces Apple to be more open. If you don't, just don't come to Europe.
- tavavex 2y ago
  If you like it, use it. Why not let other people augment the ecosystem? If Apple allowed Pebble to get full permissions and it all turned out to be the extremely unsafe, buggy disaster that everyone here chooses to portray it as, then you can still buy an Apple Watch. In what way does shutting out the competition benefit you?
  - shuckles 2y ago
    How many users do you think call Apple everyday to complain about issues with their third party, knockoff AirPods lookalikes? Could you imagine why Apple could be protective of the user experience of their hardware and sensitive to that user experience being compromised by poorly implemented or nonfunctional peripherals? For every Pebble user, how many people might buy ripoff Apple Watches?
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      I would not be surprised if more people called every day about how their AirPods aren’t working as expected.
      - shuckles 2y ago
        Not sure how it’s relevant that paying customers receive customer service.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        My point is that it's probably a rounding error for them.
        shuckles 2y ago
        At the moment precisely because Apple is protective of the user experience.
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- grishka 2y ago
  What if you like their computers but absolutely can't stand their mobile devices though? I got fed up with the walled gardens enough that I made a macOS app to transfer files to and from Android devices using Google's Quick Share protocol (that I had to reverse engineer first). And no, don't suggest me to try desktop Linux. I want to use my system, not maintain it.
crazygringo 2y ago
> and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech. ...but the Apple ecosystem has the best tech. M chips, AirPods Pro, Apple Watch, iPad, Pencil, I mean the tech is great. Apple isn't monopolizing anything. They're competing like hell and winning because their tech is best. The real question is why the Android and Microsoft ecosystems don't do better at improving their tech. Where's the Windows equivalent of an M4 MacBook Air in terms of performance and battery life?
- NotPractical 2y ago
  > ...but the Apple ecosystem has the best tech You aren't in any position to make that call, since you have no opportunity to try competing products due to being locked in to an anticompetitive ecosystem. European iOS users will soon be able to decide if Apple really does have the best tech or not.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    What are you talking about? I can try all the competing products compatible with Android and Windows. I'm not locked into anything Apple because they're not a monopoly. I am very much in a position to "make that call".
    - NotPractical 2y ago
      You said that Apple makes the best tech, but you wouldn't know, because you cannot pair third party accessories with your Apple devices and have them work properly, so you cannot determine if third parties are capable of making accessories better than Apple or not. Whether or not a third party is capable of making a better "ecosystem" of interconnected devices is a separate concern; I'm talking about accessories here, which is the topic at hand.
      - crazygringo 2y ago
        I wouldn't know? Kind of amazing you're so confident I don't use the Android ecosystem for a whole bunch of stuff. You know a lot of people use one ecosystem for personal stuff, and another for work? Also that people do stuff like... read reviews? Compare features? Compare specs?

briandear 2y ago

I like the ecosystem. If you don’t, choose another ecosystem.

csours 2y ago
"Love it or leave it" - why not make it better?
- pparanoidd 2y ago
  It's constantly getting better. If it wasn't then competitors would surpass it, but they never have.
- shuckles 2y ago
  Allowing support for a rich ecosystem of mediocre smart watches does not move the needle on making it better for me personally. And Apple probably has done the market research to confirm most of their customers are like me and not like Pebble users.
  - csours 2y ago
    > And Apple probably has done the market research to confirm most of their customers are like me and not like Pebble users. I'm sure. The customers they do not have are like Pebble users, and they don't want customers like Pebble users. They want customers like Apple Watch users. It is a bit 'masque of the red death' to defend anti-competitive practices, is all I'm saying.
    - shuckles 2y ago
      How is it anti-competitive for Apple to pick its own customers? A decade ago, Android used to argue that open was better. Now, people seem to argue that closed should be illegal.
lucianbr 2y ago
I like that the EU forces Apple to be more open. If you don't, just don't come to Europe.
tavavex 2y ago
If you like it, use it. Why not let other people augment the ecosystem? If Apple allowed Pebble to get full permissions and it all turned out to be the extremely unsafe, buggy disaster that everyone here chooses to portray it as, then you can still buy an Apple Watch. In what way does shutting out the competition benefit you?
- shuckles 2y ago
  How many users do you think call Apple everyday to complain about issues with their third party, knockoff AirPods lookalikes? Could you imagine why Apple could be protective of the user experience of their hardware and sensitive to that user experience being compromised by poorly implemented or nonfunctional peripherals? For every Pebble user, how many people might buy ripoff Apple Watches?
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    I would not be surprised if more people called every day about how their AirPods aren’t working as expected.
    - shuckles 2y ago
      Not sure how it’s relevant that paying customers receive customer service.
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        My point is that it's probably a rounding error for them.
        shuckles 2y ago
        At the moment precisely because Apple is protective of the user experience.
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grishka 2y ago
What if you like their computers but absolutely can't stand their mobile devices though? I got fed up with the walled gardens enough that I made a macOS app to transfer files to and from Android devices using Google's Quick Share protocol (that I had to reverse engineer first). And no, don't suggest me to try desktop Linux. I want to use my system, not maintain it.

crazygringo 2y ago

> and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech. ...but the Apple ecosystem has the best tech. M chips, AirPods Pro, Apple Watch, iPad, Pencil, I mean the tech is great. Apple isn't monopolizing anything. They're competing like hell and winning because their tech is best. The real question is why the Android and Microsoft ecosystems don't do better at improving their tech. Where's the Windows equivalent of an M4 MacBook Air in terms of performance and battery life?

NotPractical 2y ago
> ...but the Apple ecosystem has the best tech You aren't in any position to make that call, since you have no opportunity to try competing products due to being locked in to an anticompetitive ecosystem. European iOS users will soon be able to decide if Apple really does have the best tech or not.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  What are you talking about? I can try all the competing products compatible with Android and Windows. I'm not locked into anything Apple because they're not a monopoly. I am very much in a position to "make that call".
  - NotPractical 2y ago
    You said that Apple makes the best tech, but you wouldn't know, because you cannot pair third party accessories with your Apple devices and have them work properly, so you cannot determine if third parties are capable of making accessories better than Apple or not. Whether or not a third party is capable of making a better "ecosystem" of interconnected devices is a separate concern; I'm talking about accessories here, which is the topic at hand.
    - crazygringo 2y ago
      I wouldn't know? Kind of amazing you're so confident I don't use the Android ecosystem for a whole bunch of stuff. You know a lot of people use one ecosystem for personal stuff, and another for work? Also that people do stuff like... read reviews? Compare features? Compare specs?