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correct but pedantic. would you say you satisfy the author's intent of demonstrating this skill? (whichever it is, likability or charisma) i would actually arg

correct but pedantic. would you say you satisfy the author's intent of demonstrating this skill? (whichever it is, likability or charisma) i would actually argue that your definition of charismatic tends towards manipulative. i don't think that's what you really meant.

munificent 2y ago
> would you say you satisfy the author's intent of demonstrating this skill? I think I'm pretty likable in large part because I have a lot of social anxiety which leads to high agreeability. I don't think I'm particularly charismatic. > i would actually argue that your definition of charismatic tends towards manipulative. i don't think that's what you really meant. It is, in fact. Charisma operates at a level separate from morality. Charisma is a gun. It's what you do with it that determines the ethical stance. Certainly, there are many charismatic people that use that tool simply to manipulate others for their own personal benefit. At the extreme you get populist demagogues. But there are also charismatic people who use that gift to bring others together to accomplish goals that benefit everyone. Good charismatic people can make you into a better version of yourself.
tengbretson 2y ago
> i would actually argue that your definition of charismatic tends towards manipulative All team endeavors require some kind of consensus-forming. In my experience, strong, charismatic leadership is significantly preferable to a bunch of nerds engaging in dialectics.
hluska 2y ago
Manipulation and charisma are different concepts. There are plenty of highly charismatic manipulative people, just as there are many highly manipulative people with absolutely no charisma. Charisma may make it easier to manipulate people or it may create an environment where you don’t need to manipulate people to form a consensus.

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correct but pedantic. would you say you satisfy the author's intent of demonstrating this skill? (whichever it is, likability or charisma) i would actually arg

by jiveturkey 2y ago

munificent 2y ago
> would you say you satisfy the author's intent of demonstrating this skill? I think I'm pretty likable in large part because I have a lot of social anxiety which leads to high agreeability. I don't think I'm particularly charismatic. > i would actually argue that your definition of charismatic tends towards manipulative. i don't think that's what you really meant. It is, in fact. Charisma operates at a level separate from morality. Charisma is a gun. It's what you do with it that determines the ethical stance. Certainly, there are many charismatic people that use that tool simply to manipulate others for their own personal benefit. At the extreme you get populist demagogues. But there are also charismatic people who use that gift to bring others together to accomplish goals that benefit everyone. Good charismatic people can make you into a better version of yourself.
tengbretson 2y ago
> i would actually argue that your definition of charismatic tends towards manipulative All team endeavors require some kind of consensus-forming. In my experience, strong, charismatic leadership is significantly preferable to a bunch of nerds engaging in dialectics.
hluska 2y ago
Manipulation and charisma are different concepts. There are plenty of highly charismatic manipulative people, just as there are many highly manipulative people with absolutely no charisma. Charisma may make it easier to manipulate people or it may create an environment where you don’t need to manipulate people to form a consensus.