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I mean, there have been a number of examples of people losing access to cryptocurrency trading during times of chaos. The rebuttal is "sure, but not the ones th

I mean, there have been a number of examples of people losing access to cryptocurrency trading during times of chaos. The rebuttal is "sure, but not the ones that are actually decentralized!". Ok, but the cryptocurrency industry doesn't actually want "you can only use Bitcoin and Ethereum and only via direct interactions with them, not via intermediaries" to be the message, because then what are all these other projects even doing?

yieldcrv 2y ago
that's not the rebuttal I would go for, the incentive model is to run your own node during times of chaos, centralized exchanges go down and RPC nodes go down. the incentive model is to run your own RPC node that has processing bandwidth so that your transactions can reach decentralized exchanges and continue doing whatever you wanted to do. times of chaos in this instance would be to swap to a stable value. the answer truly is "you're holding it wrong" I think there is plenty to criticize about what crypto proponents say, but there is a technical discussion worth having at the same level of parity we have about many other things on this forum
- sanderjd 2y ago
  Right, if you hadn't said it yourself, I would have said that this is just another form of "you're holding it wrong ". But my point is that if this is actually the target market for these products - people who are gonna run their own nodes - then that market is like five orders of magnitude smaller than the crypto industry wants it to be.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    Ah ok, that’s fine to me Speculation drives innovation and crypto is the rawest form of that we have, in a global, nonstop market with extremes of selective evolution: permission to fail, instead of guardrails Practically none of the things that attract people to the space would have been developed without encountering frictions from speculation, and fixing them
nailer 2y ago
> Ok, but the cryptocurrency industry doesn't actually want "you can only use Bitcoin and Ethereum and only via direct interactions with them, not via intermediaries" to be the message, because then what are all these other projects even doing? You're 100% correct. The Eth L2s are all incredibly centralized. However most stablecoin transactions (ie payments) don't happen on Eth and it's various L2s anymore and I wonder if the same may be true to tokenized assets (RWAs).

yieldcrv 2y ago

that's not the rebuttal I would go for, the incentive model is to run your own node during times of chaos, centralized exchanges go down and RPC nodes go down. the incentive model is to run your own RPC node that has processing bandwidth so that your transactions can reach decentralized exchanges and continue doing whatever you wanted to do. times of chaos in this instance would be to swap to a stable value. the answer truly is "you're holding it wrong" I think there is plenty to criticize about what crypto proponents say, but there is a technical discussion worth having at the same level of parity we have about many other things on this forum

sanderjd 2y ago
Right, if you hadn't said it yourself, I would have said that this is just another form of "you're holding it wrong ". But my point is that if this is actually the target market for these products - people who are gonna run their own nodes - then that market is like five orders of magnitude smaller than the crypto industry wants it to be.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  Ah ok, that’s fine to me Speculation drives innovation and crypto is the rawest form of that we have, in a global, nonstop market with extremes of selective evolution: permission to fail, instead of guardrails Practically none of the things that attract people to the space would have been developed without encountering frictions from speculation, and fixing them

nailer 2y ago

> Ok, but the cryptocurrency industry doesn't actually want "you can only use Bitcoin and Ethereum and only via direct interactions with them, not via intermediaries" to be the message, because then what are all these other projects even doing? You're 100% correct. The Eth L2s are all incredibly centralized. However most stablecoin transactions (ie payments) don't happen on Eth and it's various L2s anymore and I wonder if the same may be true to tokenized assets (RWAs).