Unique, sure. Selling point? I really don't think so. This idea of "safely" running untrusted code in the jvm sandbox both never materialized (constant stream o

Unique, sure. Selling point? I really don't think so. This idea of "safely" running untrusted code in the jvm sandbox both never materialized (constant stream of sandbox-escape vulns i've seen over the years) and also was at the wrong level - anyone doing multi-tenant code execution is doing it via things like gvisor or at the OS-level. I don't think I buy your assertion that nobody has upgraded. I know of a 3000-4000-strong eng org at a certain company that has upgraded all the way from 8 to 17 as of when i left 3 years ago. They primarily wanted the GC improvements because they translated into huge immediate efficiency gains on their workloads (huge Spark/Hadoop spend savings, and moderate savings for the non-big-data jvm workloads). I do share your lament of applets though. It would've been a way better runtime for portable/install-less/JIT-install things than the current nightmare of html/css/js/etc. But they just didn't have the browser integration - it would've needed to be more than just "look we put a drawing surface into the web browser" - and they didn't have the "window into the world" either (that's browsers). Unfortunately, it's the front door program and platform that owns the users, and that's web browsers.