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I was under impression that the Taliban is in charge of things in Afghanistan in 2025. Is this not the case? And furthermore to my original point do you think

• Gud 2y ago
  You are not at all addressing the point I made, that the military campaign against the Taliban was a swift and successful action. You stated that the Taliban beat the worlds most advanced military, which they didn't. That the subsequent occupation ended with the Talibans return to power has nothing to do with the war itself but has political reasons. In my opinion, the occupation could have ended completely different with a longer commitment. Unfortunately, the Iraq invasion happened and the American population had little long term interest in nation building, two nations at once. FWIW Iraq and Afghanistan are very different places. But this has nothing to do with the military campaign itself. When I was there and where I was(2010, northern Afghanistan), it was a fairly peaceful place. Things were progressing in the right direction. Regarding your second question, I don't think that the Taliban would have great use of drones considering that we could use essentially the same counter measures we used against remotely operated IEDs(jamming). Ukraine does not have access to the same equipment we did in Afghanistan. EDIT: This article pretty much reflects my views on what went wrong. The US government half assed the occupation and withdrew too early. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-runaway-general-the-profile-that-brought-down-mcchrystal-192609/?RS_show_page=0 https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-runa...
  • Teever 2y ago
    I'm not addressing the point you made because it's nonsensical. Could you imagine a different set of circumstances where the year is 1950 and Adolf Hitler is still Fuhrer of the Third Reich and someone is arguing that America won WW2? America lost in Vietnam, they lost in Iraq, and they lost in Afghanistan. The sooner you come to realize this and that your time spent in Afghanistan was a waste the sooner you'll have a more accurate worldview and can make better decisions than to sign up for what was at that point an obviously pointless war. > I don't think that the Taliban would have great use of drones considering that we could use essentially the same counter measures we used against remotely operated IEDs(jamming). Doesn't seem to be working out for either side in Ukraine.
    • Gud 2y ago
      You made a specific argument, that the Taliban defeated the US military. This absolutely did not happen. I’ve said what I had to say, have a nice day.
      • Teever 2y ago
        No, I made a specific argument that the people of Afghanistan defeated the US military. This absolutely did happen and their long fought victory has saddled the US with an tremendous monetary debt and social debt in the form of a fractured American society the consequences of which are an increasingly authoritarian America that is brutishly lashing out at their allies in that conflict. America's loss in that conflict has cost America far more than we can imagine right now and the cost is only increasing by the day.
        • kennysoona 2y ago
          No, that never happened. The US was in control and then voluntarily left.
          • owebmaster 2y ago
            so it won some battles but lost the war?
            • kennysoona 2y ago
              I mean, they came in, held dominion, and just didn't proceed to fully transform the country as they should have. It's kind of like a UFC fighter pinning his opponent for 90% of the match and then suddenly forfeiting. I wouldn't call it fleeing or losing.
              • surgical_fire 2y ago
                We may be arguing semantics, but a UFC fighter forfeiting is the definition of losing, no matter how much his win was apparent beforehand.