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Normally I'm more than happy to roll with someone's choice of words - if you want to use "literally" to describe things that are not literal, please, fill your
by SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
Normally I'm more than happy to roll with someone's choice of words - if you want to use "literally" to describe things that are not literal, please, fill your skibidi or whatever, but I'm hostile towards it when it's an attempt to appease a corporation's filters. I get it, you gotta use it where you gotta use it, but I hate the indicators that our language is being filtered everywhere by certain social media's moderation rules.
That's not language changing because of fresh eyes, it's because of tired eyes looking towards the bottom dollar.
- mrtksn 2y agoIt's not about filters, I like using unalive in the context of suicide when I have no sympathy to the person who dies. It's such a nice dehumanizing word.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoBut it's entered the vernacular because of the filters.
- mrtksn 2y agoThat's true, some day in the future somebody will make 5 seconds long, long format documentary about the fascinating origins of the word :) It has a passive aggressive character, I like that word a lot.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoI get the opposite out of it. Using the negative prefix weakens the word, emphasizing what it is not instead of what it is, when act like suicide is not just the state of being not alive. The phrasing isn't committed enough to be oxymoronic and it ends up feeling impersonal and indirect. But maybe I'm just an old man yelling at a cloud.
- kube-system 2y agoPick any sentence and trace the words back to their origin and you'll find some sort of story about where it was borrowed from. That's just how language works. It isn't anything new -- we're all just older than we've ever been. Every generation coins new terms.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoI'm not against language growth, but the reason this is happening is upsetting to me.
- ZacNorth 2y agoIf you're taking the time to write one or more posts about this, you are implicitly against language growth, you've just found a justification for being against it that you find acceptable to your worldview.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoYes, there are occasions where I would take exception to language evolution. If we entered a pattern of 1984-era newspeak I'd take exception there as well. I think it is usually the product of a poorly considered stance for one to be an absolutist about the vast majority things.
- kube-system 2y agoEuphemism is already common, particularly when discussing sensitive topics like the cycle of life, bodily functions, etc. You are probably okay with many existing euphemisms because they are familiar. This really isn't a social media thing, newspaper obituaries also use euphemisms for death. e.g. "passed away", "departed", "eternal rest", etc.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoYes, because that euphemistic language is there to lighten the blow. "unalive" is an attempt to bypass a social media filter and speaks to the shift in how and why words enter our lexicon.
- nkrisc 2y agoIt sounds kinder and gentler, to me, more like a word you’d use in polite company to avoid speaking crassly about someone respected.
- mrtksn 2y agoSuicide is a statement, it is the last act of somebody against the society. It is something serious that puts the burden on the shoulders of the remaining. It has long, deep history attached to it. Unalive on the other hand is a simplistic word that has neither of those, it is originally derived as an attempt to bypass automatic filter. IMHO using it for someone without the practical need to bypass censorship takes away the heft of their act. Makes it insignificant.
- nkrisc 2y agoI would be very surprised if anyone other than you sees it that way. The fact you had to explain that distinction shows the uselessness of the word. In fact all you’ve done is draw attention to this guy’s suicide and give it significance.
- mrtksn 2y agoGiven the upvotes, obviously there are more people that are on the same page with me on this than not.
- itishappy 2y agoHN doesn't filter "suicide" though. This is organic language. Free-range, grass-fed, and GMO-free.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoYeah, my argument is we shouldn't use "unalive" when we don't have to.
- adolph 2y agoyou just did tho (I am currently reading and infected by Hofstadter's "Surfaces and Essences: Analogy as the Fuel and Fire of Thinking" which I think would side with using unalive, which might also construe a set larger than that of "dead.")
- JoshTriplett 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinctio...
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoI quoted it for specificity. I suppose I could have said "the word formerly known as suicide" but that is probably a phrasing that anyone young enough to unironically use the word formerly known as suicide wouldn't understand.
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- inetknght 2y ago> I'm hostile towards it when it's an attempt to appease a corporation's filters Maybe you should be hostile towards the corporations that create those filters instead.
- kossae 2y agoWhy not both?
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoYes. I am more upset by the one responsible for the filtering than the effect it's having on the zeitgeist.