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> are just parroting online meme talking points This is a great way of discrediting somebody's else opinion and also incredibly a very rude one. I earn more t

> are just parroting online meme talking points This is a great way of discrediting somebody's else opinion and also incredibly a very rude one. I earn more than you do but that's besides the point since I'm most likely in 95th percentile of the market. The point that you're missing and that I'm trying to reinforce regardless of the very good position I'm in is that 50th percentile of the market is not anywhere near +100k EUR figure. I worked with 100s engineers across different domains in Europe so the sample size should be pretty representative. I also hired many engineers so I am familiar with the market value as well. Finally, you're also missing the point that your sample of dutch market isn't representative of all European countries markets.

apexalpha 2y ago
I'm sorry for the rude remark, but claiming software engineers and other IT professionals are working at the legal minimum wage came across as if you were mocking us. My apologies. And yes, perhaps the Dutch market is not representatie for all of the EU. But then again Silicon Valley isn't representative of all of the US but these salaries are usually posted for benchmark.
- menaerus 2y ago
  Still your argument doesn't apply since I wasn't comparing salaries of experienced professionals but out of the University starting salaries. Considering the whole European market as a whole I think I was even optimistic with 30k figure since there are many professionals with years of experience still not managing to earn much more than that. And I'm talking about building smart stuff, algorithmic design. 100k USD figure OTOH was pessimistic and it didn't include SV starting salaries which would obviously be much larger than that.
  - apexalpha 2y ago
    Ah, okay. Well my starting salary was €50k in 2016 so it's probably €60k or €70k now. If we're considering entire continents I'd like to point out that the median salary in Mexico is €30k. :)
    - menaerus 2y ago
      I'm talking about the EU countries and not the third-world countries but since you're ignorant and disingenuous there's no purpose of continuing this discussion anymore. More graceful interpretation would be that you're limited in capabilities to understand distributions, percentiles and some fresher year statistics, in which case it should be easy to fix.

apexalpha 2y ago

I'm sorry for the rude remark, but claiming software engineers and other IT professionals are working at the legal minimum wage came across as if you were mocking us. My apologies. And yes, perhaps the Dutch market is not representatie for all of the EU. But then again Silicon Valley isn't representative of all of the US but these salaries are usually posted for benchmark.

menaerus 2y ago
Still your argument doesn't apply since I wasn't comparing salaries of experienced professionals but out of the University starting salaries. Considering the whole European market as a whole I think I was even optimistic with 30k figure since there are many professionals with years of experience still not managing to earn much more than that. And I'm talking about building smart stuff, algorithmic design. 100k USD figure OTOH was pessimistic and it didn't include SV starting salaries which would obviously be much larger than that.
- apexalpha 2y ago
  Ah, okay. Well my starting salary was €50k in 2016 so it's probably €60k or €70k now. If we're considering entire continents I'd like to point out that the median salary in Mexico is €30k. :)
  - menaerus 2y ago
    I'm talking about the EU countries and not the third-world countries but since you're ignorant and disingenuous there's no purpose of continuing this discussion anymore. More graceful interpretation would be that you're limited in capabilities to understand distributions, percentiles and some fresher year statistics, in which case it should be easy to fix.