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People in America and Canada where there is a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs don't appreciate what they are missing out on. For ~$60k you can buy vehicles like the

People in America and Canada where there is a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs don't appreciate what they are missing out on. For ~$60k you can buy vehicles like the Li Auto L9 that are nicer than a brand new Rolls Royce. The value for price you get blows other manufacturers out of the water. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tjnq2usV51c https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tjnq2usV51c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwO-OcNUzyg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwO-OcNUzyg

pcdoodle 2y ago
And will probably look like trash in 5 years due to the headliner drooping, fabric fraying, electronics crapping out, etc. Also good luck getting any replacement parts down the road wherever you live.
- kelseydh 2y ago
  Sorry but this is cope. Why do you assume the build quality must be disastrously bad? In Australia where there is no tariff on Chinese EV's there are many Chinese vehicles on the road now -- this logically suggests an expansion of repair support will trickle into Australia also. China is not just beating the U.S. on price, they are beating their manufacturers on quality and features. I'm not suggesting Toyota levels of reliability yet, but Tesla doesn't have a track record of reliability either. These Chinese EV's are easily as good as a Tesla, and better given advanced features like LIDAR that Elon cut from Tesla's.
  - pcdoodle 2y ago
    You're living on another planet if you think you can maintain one of these for more than 5 years. Sure, you can buy the rubber but that's about it.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      [citation needed] You're making extraordinary claims.
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      - pcdoodle 2y ago
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    - blovescoffee 2y ago
      BYD offers great warranties that are 6-10 years where I’m at. And lifetime for some battery details.
      - pcdoodle 2y ago
        Cool, my made in china wrench comes with a lifetime warranty too! I feel safe knowing it's the last i'll ever need!
        blovescoffee 2y ago
        What? You literally just go to the dealership and they make the changes for you.
        pcdoodle 2y ago
        "Make the changes"... Lol, here's someone who has never owned a car.
- msy 2y ago
  You sound like Americans talking about Japanese cars 30 years ago.
  - pcdoodle 2y ago
    Japan makes nice things though. Also the corolla is 60 years old and still a fantastic car.
    - surgical_fire 2y ago
      That's the thing, back in the day Jaoanesd manufacturing was subject to the same silly narrative you mentioned - "yeah, it's low quality stuff, in a few years it will look like crap, etc". It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now. Ik fairness, I heard great reports from people that bought Chinese EVs in terms of overall quality. Perhaps ironically, there were many reports of Teslas actually having issues with poor fit and finishing.
  - prawn 2y ago
    And then once Australians revered Toyota as the choice of farm utes (Hilux) and bush bashers (Landcruiser, etc), we railed on the Korean brands. And now that the Korean brands have found their place, the Chinese brands cop it next.
ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
There are zero buttons on the center console. That car would never be considered as an option for me.
gloxkiqcza 2y ago
It’s a nice car but it’s nowhere near as nice as Rolls Royce. You’re not doing your argument any favors by exaggerating this much. However, I agree that Chinese EVs are a serious competition to other EVs.
- kelseydh 2y ago
  Fair, a more apt comparison is the Hongqi E-HS9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4d_-W23mgc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4d_-W23mgc But on a driver experience feature-by-feature comparison the Li-L9 actually competes with a Rolls Royce: - flat vertical reclinable seats - 9 point massage chairs - Heads up display - advanced self-driving with LIDAR - chamber to heat and cool food - OLED back passenger screens with gesture control - voice control of the vehicle - quiet closing doors
  - michpoch 2y ago
    This is maybe comparable to BMW series 7 or MB s class. RR is about building each car for the given customer. There’s almost no limit to what you can wish.
  - saturn8601 2y ago
    I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand what Rolls Royce is really about. I know China is capable of producing quality if the proper price is paid but I seriously doubt anything like this: https://youtu.be/ZcFrFjl-RQs?t=617 https://youtu.be/ZcFrFjl-RQs?t=617
    - kelseydh 2y ago
      Ok, they are not handcrafting fiber optics into the shapes of a star. But what I'm seeing in this video is a lot of argument from authority, posturing, pomp and inefficient bespoke manufacturing processes. When you actually look at the feature set and comfort quality you're getting from the interior of a Hongqi E-HS9... it's actually competitive if not better than a Rolls Royce. In fact the designer of the Hongqi E-HS9 used to work for Rolls Royce. Can a Rolls Royce turn its wheels 90 degrees to park sideways? Does it have advanced LIDAR self-driving?
baoluofu 2y ago
When I was in China last summer, every taxi I used was an electric car. By far, the worst of these was a Tesla Model 3. You can buy serious luxury vehicles for really very little money compared to western manufacturers. Not electric car specific, but for me, the most impressive thing is that the mapping apps are all synchronised with the traffic light systems.

pcdoodle 2y ago

And will probably look like trash in 5 years due to the headliner drooping, fabric fraying, electronics crapping out, etc. Also good luck getting any replacement parts down the road wherever you live.

kelseydh 2y ago
Sorry but this is cope. Why do you assume the build quality must be disastrously bad? In Australia where there is no tariff on Chinese EV's there are many Chinese vehicles on the road now -- this logically suggests an expansion of repair support will trickle into Australia also. China is not just beating the U.S. on price, they are beating their manufacturers on quality and features. I'm not suggesting Toyota levels of reliability yet, but Tesla doesn't have a track record of reliability either. These Chinese EV's are easily as good as a Tesla, and better given advanced features like LIDAR that Elon cut from Tesla's.
- pcdoodle 2y ago
  You're living on another planet if you think you can maintain one of these for more than 5 years. Sure, you can buy the rubber but that's about it.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    [citation needed] You're making extraordinary claims.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - pcdoodle 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - blovescoffee 2y ago
    BYD offers great warranties that are 6-10 years where I’m at. And lifetime for some battery details.
    - pcdoodle 2y ago
      Cool, my made in china wrench comes with a lifetime warranty too! I feel safe knowing it's the last i'll ever need!
      - blovescoffee 2y ago
        What? You literally just go to the dealership and they make the changes for you.
        pcdoodle 2y ago
        "Make the changes"... Lol, here's someone who has never owned a car.
msy 2y ago
You sound like Americans talking about Japanese cars 30 years ago.
- pcdoodle 2y ago
  Japan makes nice things though. Also the corolla is 60 years old and still a fantastic car.
  - surgical_fire 2y ago
    That's the thing, back in the day Jaoanesd manufacturing was subject to the same silly narrative you mentioned - "yeah, it's low quality stuff, in a few years it will look like crap, etc". It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now. Ik fairness, I heard great reports from people that bought Chinese EVs in terms of overall quality. Perhaps ironically, there were many reports of Teslas actually having issues with poor fit and finishing.
- prawn 2y ago
  And then once Australians revered Toyota as the choice of farm utes (Hilux) and bush bashers (Landcruiser, etc), we railed on the Korean brands. And now that the Korean brands have found their place, the Chinese brands cop it next.

ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago

There are zero buttons on the center console. That car would never be considered as an option for me.

gloxkiqcza 2y ago

It’s a nice car but it’s nowhere near as nice as Rolls Royce. You’re not doing your argument any favors by exaggerating this much. However, I agree that Chinese EVs are a serious competition to other EVs.

kelseydh 2y ago
Fair, a more apt comparison is the Hongqi E-HS9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4d_-W23mgc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4d_-W23mgc But on a driver experience feature-by-feature comparison the Li-L9 actually competes with a Rolls Royce: - flat vertical reclinable seats - 9 point massage chairs - Heads up display - advanced self-driving with LIDAR - chamber to heat and cool food - OLED back passenger screens with gesture control - voice control of the vehicle - quiet closing doors
- michpoch 2y ago
  This is maybe comparable to BMW series 7 or MB s class. RR is about building each car for the given customer. There’s almost no limit to what you can wish.
- saturn8601 2y ago
  I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand what Rolls Royce is really about. I know China is capable of producing quality if the proper price is paid but I seriously doubt anything like this: https://youtu.be/ZcFrFjl-RQs?t=617 https://youtu.be/ZcFrFjl-RQs?t=617
  - kelseydh 2y ago
    Ok, they are not handcrafting fiber optics into the shapes of a star. But what I'm seeing in this video is a lot of argument from authority, posturing, pomp and inefficient bespoke manufacturing processes. When you actually look at the feature set and comfort quality you're getting from the interior of a Hongqi E-HS9... it's actually competitive if not better than a Rolls Royce. In fact the designer of the Hongqi E-HS9 used to work for Rolls Royce. Can a Rolls Royce turn its wheels 90 degrees to park sideways? Does it have advanced LIDAR self-driving?

baoluofu 2y ago

When I was in China last summer, every taxi I used was an electric car. By far, the worst of these was a Tesla Model 3. You can buy serious luxury vehicles for really very little money compared to western manufacturers. Not electric car specific, but for me, the most impressive thing is that the mapping apps are all synchronised with the traffic light systems.