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What's a good alternative to Proton? Still haven't migrated my business away from Google Workspace, and I was thinking Proton would be a good alternative, but a
by CER10TY 2y ago
What's a good alternative to Proton? Still haven't migrated my business away from Google Workspace, and I was thinking Proton would be a good alternative, but apparently not if they don't even support IMAP/SMTP.
- hovering_nox 2y agohttps://tuta.com/ https://tuta.com/
- bodash 2y agoSecond Tuta. Their feature list might be limited when compared to Proton or Fastmail, but their core email service is solid.
- attendant3446 2y agoIt's an alternative to Proton because it doesn't support open standards (like IMAP), but it has the same problem - vendor lock-in.
- chgs 2y agoI use Zoho for my personal email. They aren’t European but they aren’t American. Crucially though it’s easy enough to migrate to another provider of self just by updating my mx records.
- SSLy 2y agocontext: Zoho is incorporated in US and made in India.
- crossroadsguy 2y agoNote - Zoho is from the country I live in. You ought to expect nought privacy from here, or maybe even negative (yeah, that can be a thing :D).
- carschno 2y agoMailbox looks very solid, although I don't have long-term experience: https://mailbox.org https://mailbox.org It provides email, online storage, video conferencing, calendar etc., all of it privacy-preserving by default. You explicitly don't have to provide any personal details.
- adwn 2y agoSeconded. I'm using mailbox.org for my business for 4 years now, and haven't had any problems so far.
- SSLy 2y agohttps://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers I myself use neither [0] but that's my nihilism defaulting on convenience. [0] I've moved my own domain to iCloud+ custom domain offering.
- oakesm9 2y agoFastmail[0] is what I use for my personal email. They support all the standards, but are also pushing things forward with standardising the JMAP protocol[1] which is much better suited to mobile clients than IMAP. They only have email and calendaring though, no equivalent of Drive/Docs/Sheets. [0] https://www.fastmail.com https://www.fastmail.com [1] https://jmap.io https://jmap.io
- microtonal 2y agoI have used Fastmail for well over a decade, but they have their servers in the US, so I have been looking at alternatives.
- mtsr 2y agoAnd Australian law doesn't quite offer the same protections as GDPR. In fact, being a Five Eyes country, it's effectively the opposite.
- bad_user 2y agoAustralian businesses have to provide GDPR protections to EU citizens, regardless, just as EU companies operating in Australia have to obey Australian law. I also have a feeling the Five Eyes agreement is about to end.
- microtonal 2y agoI also have a feeling the Five Eyes agreement is about to end. That's certainly possible, but as long as the servers are in the US, that's not really meaningful I think?
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- flurdy 2y agoI am very very happy with Fastmail. I know they have some presence in the US but I think they scaled that down and are entirely an Australian company. Their integration with 1password and masking email aliases is also very useful [0]. If however you want to host your own emails, I did once write an extensive guide [1]. [0] https://www.fastmail.com/features/masked-email/ https://www.fastmail.com/features/masked-email/ [1] https://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ https://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
- bradley13 2y agoMaybe I'm missing something, but: just use a local ISP? We use Hostpoint (Switzerland) for our websites and email.
- Lanolderen 2y agoI use migadu with thunderbird. Can't complain. Cheap and does what I need it to. https://www.migadu.com/index.html https://www.migadu.com/index.html
- cpach 2y agohttps://glesys.com/services/email https://glesys.com/services/email
- Saris 2y agoMailbox.org is one I like For a more business oriented replacement that can (mostly) replace gmail, google drive, docs, sheets, etc.. Zoho One is pretty good.
- crossroadsguy 2y agoNot mailbox.org (!) unlike many have suggested. In last few years mailbox has gone into the gutters in almost every aspect (almost) - I am stuck there because of a large recharge/purchase I had done and they don't do prorated refunds anymore. There are other options - tuta, posteo, runbox etc (I have just made a longer comment and I am sure you can find more on the net). IMHO - we should not ignore other things when looking for a service replacement I mean aspects of a service other than privacy and for me responsiveness and customer service comes near the top or at the top.
- csomar 2y agoFastmail should offer tenancy outside of the US, either in Australia or in the EU/Singapore.