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OVH and Hetzner are excellent companies. I doubt there would be any problem with them in the future.

mrweasel 2y ago
Both companies are excellent, and I'd absolutely trust them with my business, but neither can replace something like AWS. The friends I have at companies who are actively using AWS are all relying on a fairly large number of AWS only services. Either they'd need to stand up their own replacements and host those services on VMs, or in some cases rewrite parts of their stack. E.g. if you're using AWS Cognito then you're not going anywhere.
- n3storm 2y ago
  IMHO Aws is designed for totally embracing their philosophy and language. You don't understand two Aws Devs talking to each other. Even organizations are internally structured for Aws operations. This create something even stronger than a dependency.
  - chgs 2y ago
    Making yourself a subsided of Amazon was never wise. You exist as long as Amazon allows you to. It’s modern feudalism.
    - mrweasel 2y ago
      > Making yourself a subsided of Amazon was never wise True, but the AWS pricing doesn't make sense otherwise. If you're not using the managed services, then the value proposition is no longer there. Using those services is what allows you to build massive systems for relatively cheap, with much less staff. We had a project that was to be moved from on-prem to Azure (same deal), it went from thousands of Euros per month to fitting into the a free-tier, but only because we could use managed services. Spinning up the same VMs would cost more than hosting it ourselves.
- Dzidas 2y ago
  Exactly! You can get a bare minimum, like a virtual machine (EC2) or storage (S3), which probably enough for small and medium enterprises (SME). However, if we move beyond, I'm not sure as I don't have experience with them. Now, if I'm building a prototype, I want something quick and just a lack of Cognito is a deal breaker.
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monospaced 2y ago
Other notable EU cloud providers are also STACKIT, IONOS, Cloud Ferro and Exoscale
iLoveOncall 2y ago
OVH is an absolute joke. People are really quick to forget the fire that destroyed one of their data centers a few years ago and which did not get addressed in any way by OVH for months. They also learned nothing from it, and are repeating the exact same mistakes. I stopped hosting even my personal blog on OVH because of how garbage it is.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Yes they are such chaos internally. Even their support tells you different things every time. I kept having issues around my IRC bouncer on one of my servers (kimsufi, their budget brands). Some support people said yeah no issue as long as you don't do anything illegal. Others said I'd get insta-banned, and sometimes I did have issues and had to call them to get re-enabled. Now, I have to admit I haven't been a customer of them for 10 years due to exactly this. But yes the fires exposed a lot of the same I left them for. I left to go to DigitalOcean but it became too expensive and then I found Scaleway which I'm a happy customer of for years now.

Both companies are excellent, and I'd absolutely trust them with my business, but neither can replace something like AWS. The friends I have at companies who are actively using AWS are all relying on a fairly large number of AWS only services. Either they'd need to stand up their own replacements and host those services on VMs, or in some cases rewrite parts of their stack. E.g. if you're using AWS Cognito then you're not going anywhere.

n3storm 2y ago
IMHO Aws is designed for totally embracing their philosophy and language. You don't understand two Aws Devs talking to each other. Even organizations are internally structured for Aws operations. This create something even stronger than a dependency.
- chgs 2y ago
  Making yourself a subsided of Amazon was never wise. You exist as long as Amazon allows you to. It’s modern feudalism.
  - mrweasel 2y ago
    > Making yourself a subsided of Amazon was never wise True, but the AWS pricing doesn't make sense otherwise. If you're not using the managed services, then the value proposition is no longer there. Using those services is what allows you to build massive systems for relatively cheap, with much less staff. We had a project that was to be moved from on-prem to Azure (same deal), it went from thousands of Euros per month to fitting into the a free-tier, but only because we could use managed services. Spinning up the same VMs would cost more than hosting it ourselves.
Dzidas 2y ago
Exactly! You can get a bare minimum, like a virtual machine (EC2) or storage (S3), which probably enough for small and medium enterprises (SME). However, if we move beyond, I'm not sure as I don't have experience with them. Now, if I'm building a prototype, I want something quick and just a lack of Cognito is a deal breaker.
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monospaced 2y ago

Other notable EU cloud providers are also STACKIT, IONOS, Cloud Ferro and Exoscale

iLoveOncall 2y ago

OVH is an absolute joke. People are really quick to forget the fire that destroyed one of their data centers a few years ago and which did not get addressed in any way by OVH for months. They also learned nothing from it, and are repeating the exact same mistakes. I stopped hosting even my personal blog on OVH because of how garbage it is.

wkat4242 2y ago
Yes they are such chaos internally. Even their support tells you different things every time. I kept having issues around my IRC bouncer on one of my servers (kimsufi, their budget brands). Some support people said yeah no issue as long as you don't do anything illegal. Others said I'd get insta-banned, and sometimes I did have issues and had to call them to get re-enabled. Now, I have to admit I haven't been a customer of them for 10 years due to exactly this. But yes the fires exposed a lot of the same I left them for. I left to go to DigitalOcean but it became too expensive and then I found Scaleway which I'm a happy customer of for years now.