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I'd like that. Personally, I prefer to self host all my stuff. But I can't do that to our clients. I want to provide them with something that makes them indepe

by fhd2 2y ago

I'd like that. Personally, I prefer to self host all my stuff. But I can't do that to our clients. I want to provide them with something that makes them independent from us, something they can just hire any random agency or freelancer to work on. That leaves AWS and Azure as strong options. There's a number of European cloud providers (https://www.stackit.de https://www.stackit.de looks especially interesting), but I'm looking for too-big-to-fail options. Hetzner sure is that, but you don't get managed relational databases, object storage and a couple of other things that typical web apps rely on. I know I can host stuff like Postgres and MinIO myself on Hetzner cloud instances. But when it comes to _managed_ services for this stuff, from a too-big-too-fail provider, I'm drawing a blank when it comes to European providers right now.

startaq 2y ago
Hetzner supports object storage now: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/ https://www.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/ Or you might consider Scaleway, who also do managed relational databases.
rrr_oh_man 2y ago
> I want to provide them with something that makes them independent from us, something they can just hire any random agency or freelancer to work on. I have the same attitude and regularly find (sales) people not understanding why I'm doing this. They are pathologically looking for my angle. But there's none.
- fhd2 2y ago
  I totally have an angle, I consider our reputation to be our most important asset. There's a lot of devs and agencies out there. It's a whole lot harder to find good _and_ trustworthy ones. Being that is my angle. We got close to 100 % of our business from recommendations, and I like that. Wouldn't really want to spam strangers for finding gigs. Of course, a lot of agencies do just that. And I've also seen more than one situation where an agency held their client hostage, not giving them access to their own code, hosting environment and what not. Sure, it's not 100 % angle. It's also to a large degree professional ethics. But I can easily rationalise it into business value, and am probably not far off.
bambax 2y ago
OVH supports object storage and managed relational databases. It's not on the level of AWS at the moment, but getting there fast.

by fhd2 2y ago

startaq 2y ago

Hetzner supports object storage now: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/ https://www.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/ Or you might consider Scaleway, who also do managed relational databases.

rrr_oh_man 2y ago

> I want to provide them with something that makes them independent from us, something they can just hire any random agency or freelancer to work on. I have the same attitude and regularly find (sales) people not understanding why I'm doing this. They are pathologically looking for my angle. But there's none.

fhd2 2y ago
I totally have an angle, I consider our reputation to be our most important asset. There's a lot of devs and agencies out there. It's a whole lot harder to find good _and_ trustworthy ones. Being that is my angle. We got close to 100 % of our business from recommendations, and I like that. Wouldn't really want to spam strangers for finding gigs. Of course, a lot of agencies do just that. And I've also seen more than one situation where an agency held their client hostage, not giving them access to their own code, hosting environment and what not. Sure, it's not 100 % angle. It's also to a large degree professional ethics. But I can easily rationalise it into business value, and am probably not far off.

bambax 2y ago

OVH supports object storage and managed relational databases. It's not on the level of AWS at the moment, but getting there fast.