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Considering that people have been making such complaints for millennium and we aren't so terrible as so many generations of detiraration would imply they're usu

by rat87 2y ago

Considering that people have been making such complaints for millennium and we aren't so terrible as so many generations of detiraration would imply they're usuallybut not always wrong

a-french-anon 2y ago
Anyway, even if people have always complained about it (which remains to be proven really; inb4 single data point of Plato), doesn't mean it's always or even most of the time wrong. The "kids just lack manners these days" should also be separated from more detailed criticism. That whole thing about denying that decadence is even possible is so comically a symptom of people being part of said decadence not wanting to admit it.
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  Thank you, you are much more diplomatic about this. I wrote a few horrifyingly aggressive responses to a few here about this because I'm a little astonished that people still give this whole phenomena a pass. From my other post: Overall, when the parents lose control of the child, the culture takes over parenting. When the culture is ridiculous, the child grows to become a ridiculous adult and won't know it and possibly even defend it.
dsego 2y ago
Empires have fallen and civilizations have crumbled, an idiocracy like scenario is not unimaginable.
bloomingkales 2y ago
You just don't know how bad you are or how bad your society is. Do you think the Taliban thinks they are fucked up? I'm not comparing you to the Taliban, I'm just asking what do you think they think? It's important to think about what we think.
- eru 2y ago
  I did a bit of digging, and just like eg your typical American will tell you many of the ways they think the US is 'fucked up', the Taliban will also tell you where their own society falls short of their ideals. Of course, their ideals will most likely differ from your ideals. In addition, even where multiple people might share abstract ideals, their ideas about how to effect these ideals will often differ.

by rat87 2y ago

Considering that people have been making such complaints for millennium and we aren't so terrible as so many generations of detiraration would imply they're usuallybut not always wrong

a-french-anon 2y ago

Anyway, even if people have always complained about it (which remains to be proven really; inb4 single data point of Plato), doesn't mean it's always or even most of the time wrong. The "kids just lack manners these days" should also be separated from more detailed criticism. That whole thing about denying that decadence is even possible is so comically a symptom of people being part of said decadence not wanting to admit it.

bloomingkales 2y ago
Thank you, you are much more diplomatic about this. I wrote a few horrifyingly aggressive responses to a few here about this because I'm a little astonished that people still give this whole phenomena a pass. From my other post: Overall, when the parents lose control of the child, the culture takes over parenting. When the culture is ridiculous, the child grows to become a ridiculous adult and won't know it and possibly even defend it.

dsego 2y ago

Empires have fallen and civilizations have crumbled, an idiocracy like scenario is not unimaginable.

bloomingkales 2y ago

You just don't know how bad you are or how bad your society is. Do you think the Taliban thinks they are fucked up? I'm not comparing you to the Taliban, I'm just asking what do you think they think? It's important to think about what we think.

eru 2y ago
I did a bit of digging, and just like eg your typical American will tell you many of the ways they think the US is 'fucked up', the Taliban will also tell you where their own society falls short of their ideals. Of course, their ideals will most likely differ from your ideals. In addition, even where multiple people might share abstract ideals, their ideas about how to effect these ideals will often differ.