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I’m dreaming of a set of individual providers, all building with similar dev experience, auth, billing functions, quality of service etc. I own https://mailpac

I’m dreaming of a set of individual providers, all building with similar dev experience, auth, billing functions, quality of service etc. I own https://mailpace.com https://mailpace.com and would love to expand from there- reach out if you want to help.

grumpy-de-sre 2y ago
Sorry to be a killjoy, I see these sentiments everywhere across the EU sovereign cloud space. The dream of distributed "cloud providers" made up of individual companies products, all cooperating and communicating together in some utopian way. That's the stuff that Gaia-X was huffing. Make no mistake, this will absolutely be curb stomped by vertical integration. But I get the sentiment, we need to figure out a way of collaborating on this. Perhaps airbus is a good example.
invaliduser 2y ago
Although you are from UK, so not the european union anymore, you could try getting listed on https://european-alternatives.eu/category/transactional-email-service https://european-alternatives.eu/category/transactional-emai... Anyway yes, we need to better list and advertise the european alternatives for services like yours.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  No he couldn't. That site uses a non-geographical definition of Europe that excludes Britain. "EU, EEA, EFTA, or DCFTA member country" also excludes Serbia, Turkey, Belarus and Russia but includes several countries that aren't able to join the EU at all due to corruption or misaligned legal systems. This really shows the incoherence of the whole Euro project. There's no such thing as European-ness: when the sort of people who wave the blue flag use the word Europe they are imagining an ideological construct subject to inconsistent and ever-shifting definitions. They don't even agree with each other what European means. One minute Britain is in Europe and Ukraine isn't, events happen, and suddenly Ukraine is European via DCFTA and Britain isn't. Switzerland is a similar case: sometimes it's considered to be European by these types, and other times not. Why should I, a man born in Britain now living in Switzerland who has worked on two different US clouds, want to apply that experience to a Eurocloud given this history? This of thing is why it will never inspire much loyalty, and why Bert instantly gives up on the idea of a European cloud being used because it's actually good. The resort to force of law underpins the entire project because the European identity is a sort of social engineering programme, not something organically developed.
  - invaliduser 2y ago
    To be fair, the non-geographical definitions that excludes Britain, actually only excludes Britain because Britain excluded itself of the European Union in 2020.
    - mike_hearn 2y ago
      And yet that website doesn't use the EU as a definition of European, so it clearly doesn't matter in this case. That's what I'm getting at: the word European doesn't seem to mean anything because the people who use the word the most are relying on definitions that yield unintuitive and self-defeating outcomes, like deliberately excluding one of the countries in Europe that actually does have a bit of a tech ecosystem.
      - invaliduser 2y ago
        You are right on that, not including the UK in a European list (whatever the reasons) is a shame.

grumpy-de-sre 2y ago

Sorry to be a killjoy, I see these sentiments everywhere across the EU sovereign cloud space. The dream of distributed "cloud providers" made up of individual companies products, all cooperating and communicating together in some utopian way. That's the stuff that Gaia-X was huffing. Make no mistake, this will absolutely be curb stomped by vertical integration. But I get the sentiment, we need to figure out a way of collaborating on this. Perhaps airbus is a good example.

invaliduser 2y ago

Although you are from UK, so not the european union anymore, you could try getting listed on https://european-alternatives.eu/category/transactional-email-service https://european-alternatives.eu/category/transactional-emai... Anyway yes, we need to better list and advertise the european alternatives for services like yours.

mike_hearn 2y ago
No he couldn't. That site uses a non-geographical definition of Europe that excludes Britain. "EU, EEA, EFTA, or DCFTA member country" also excludes Serbia, Turkey, Belarus and Russia but includes several countries that aren't able to join the EU at all due to corruption or misaligned legal systems. This really shows the incoherence of the whole Euro project. There's no such thing as European-ness: when the sort of people who wave the blue flag use the word Europe they are imagining an ideological construct subject to inconsistent and ever-shifting definitions. They don't even agree with each other what European means. One minute Britain is in Europe and Ukraine isn't, events happen, and suddenly Ukraine is European via DCFTA and Britain isn't. Switzerland is a similar case: sometimes it's considered to be European by these types, and other times not. Why should I, a man born in Britain now living in Switzerland who has worked on two different US clouds, want to apply that experience to a Eurocloud given this history? This of thing is why it will never inspire much loyalty, and why Bert instantly gives up on the idea of a European cloud being used because it's actually good. The resort to force of law underpins the entire project because the European identity is a sort of social engineering programme, not something organically developed.
- invaliduser 2y ago
  To be fair, the non-geographical definitions that excludes Britain, actually only excludes Britain because Britain excluded itself of the European Union in 2020.
  - mike_hearn 2y ago
    And yet that website doesn't use the EU as a definition of European, so it clearly doesn't matter in this case. That's what I'm getting at: the word European doesn't seem to mean anything because the people who use the word the most are relying on definitions that yield unintuitive and self-defeating outcomes, like deliberately excluding one of the countries in Europe that actually does have a bit of a tech ecosystem.
    - invaliduser 2y ago
      You are right on that, not including the UK in a European list (whatever the reasons) is a shame.