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Usually I'd strongly bias toward OSS. But gimp's ux is just so bad, I'd sooner use (_vomits_) adobe knowing I'll have to wrestle a bear in order to cancel my su
by nomilk 2y ago
Usually I'd strongly bias toward OSS. But gimp's ux is just so bad, I'd sooner use (_vomits_) adobe knowing I'll have to wrestle a bear in order to cancel my subscription. But there's no need. Figma, while not OSS, is free, and it does have acceptable UX. I'm a newb who occasionally needs to brush up an image or combine multiple images for my startup. I got more done in figma in thirty minutes than in gimp in 3 hours, and was much less frustrated. I could never find the relevant button (or sometimes even pane) in gimp. If you already learned gimp, use it, but for anyone else it's false economy - the time you lose fighting its UX outweighs the feelgood/freedom of using OSS.
- bongodongobob 2y ago[flagged]
- nomilk 2y agoI suspect many who make software would never do what adobe does (deliberately make it difficult for customers to leave). Entirely subjective, of course, but I consider Adobe's retention strategies very sleazy (although not uncommon). That said, can also see the utility in making deals with the devil: if it means getting your own software done faster and better, then it might be worth it, even if it feels gross.
- bongodongobob 2y agoWhen I tried to cancel my subscription they offered me a free year of everything. I took it and then cancelled when it was done. 0 issues.
- nomilk 2y agoNice work. I've never subscribed to Adobe products, so I haven't experienced it first hand. My thinking is if your software is great, you shouldn't need lock-in contracts or adobe-like tactics. (I've dodged similar subscription models like economist magazine and masterclass purely due to the utility of the subscription being outweighed by the knowledge I'd one day have to endure a frustrating process to unsubscribe).
- hahamaster 2y agoIt's super easy, don't listed to hypersensitive people who can't stand two seconds of sales pitch. The same goes for the Economist, when I unubscribed the rep asked me if I'd like a 50% discount on a yearly subscription, I politely declined and that was it. One advantage of this is that you can easily pretend you're canceling in order to get a big discount. Some people just love to complain about every little thing.
- panza 2y agoGiven the negative sentiment around Adobe's cancellation flow, you'd think they'd advertise the fact that you get a 'free year of everything' and 'zero issues'. Seems weird!
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- shmerl 2y agoSo great, that they can't make their tools for Linux to this day.
- pinoy420 2y ago[dead]
- panza 2y agoIf Adobe can't compete with GIMP-and-avocado, perhaps the product isn't that great.
- wruza 2y agoCompete with GIMP? One can scatter controls by tripping over a box of these and still get better ui than gimp.
- panza 2y agoCorrect. And yet people are still choosing it over Photoshop, and then using the money they saved for avocado toast.
- cpill 2y agogimp should get an ai chat interface, then it doesn't matter how good or bad the UI is
- stuaxo 2y agoSome of the UI is what things are called and that also effects a chat UI. GIMP has a plugin system and embeds python, this would be pretty easy to make.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- Auracle 2y agoI think the problem is a lot of people need very occasional image manipulation. Back when I was a photographer, I could have easily paid 5x more for my Photoshop subscription and it would have been worth it. Now that I’m not, the $10 a month is a harder pill to swallow, even though I use it quite a bit. A subscription pricing model isn’t great for those that need something once a week or month or whatever.
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- opan 2y agoI hear complaints from its users who describe using Adobe software like they're in an abusive relationship[1][2]. Personally, the software license is the problem for me. I don't want to make a piece of proprietary software a major part of my life or workflow. I've got GIMP, Krita, and InkScape for when I need to whip up a diagram or something. Luckily I do not need to use software like this too often. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBEAZFP0aA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBEAZFP0aA [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm51xZHZI6g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm51xZHZI6g
- m-schuetz 2y agoAdobe is infuriatingly intrusive. So much so that at some point I wanted to uninstall it and never deal with anything adobe ever again, only to find out they demand that I log in to uninstall their crap. Nothing Adobe will ever again be installed on my PCs.
- ParetoOptimal 2y ago> Don't eat avocado toast for 2 days, idk. I didn't eat avocado toast for 2 days and am buying adobe outright later today. People hate adobe for their anti-consumer practices, purposefully obsfucating the PSD format, and shoving AI down everyones throat.
- echelon 2y ago[flagged]
- ChocolateGod 2y agoBy that logic they should rename GNOME too. There's no problem with the name other than with people looking for cultural issues that don't exist to bang on about and fill their "do good" bank.
- echelon 2y agoGnome isn't even in the same ballpark. We have gnomes in fantasy and hold them in high esteem. Gimp is a term used to mock people that can't walk. It's not a medical term, it's strictly a pejorative like the n-word. Gimp is also a term for someone who gets pegged up the ass while wearing a rubber suit. Not a good brand.
- decremental 2y ago[dead]
- ChocolateGod 2y ago> Gnome isn't even in the same ballpark. We have gnomes in fantasy and hold them in high esteem. I've heard Gnome used as an insult far more than Gimp.
- panza 2y agoAnd it's also the name of a venerable piece of software that stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program. This is just a ginned-up non-controversy that should have stayed in 2019.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago^1999
- soerxpso 2y ago
- acomjean 2y agoI used it to create some art. I created image layers using p5.js and combined those 5 images using the previous version. I found the layering system pretty obvious, with the opacity and merging very straight forward. I used to be pretty ok at photoshop.. before the subscription days. The export vs save as was a little confusing but the whole process wasn’t hard. Those images got into an exhibition so I’m pretty happy. Photoshop literally has whole training companies and conferences on how to use the software. I ended up at a photoshop world conference. When I was on Mac I’d use pixelmator for quick crops and edits (or even the preview). That’s easier, but these programs are very powerful and you need a little bit to learn them.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoYeah, It's not about what's easy (especially in a community like this). These tools aren't for people who necessarily desire easy solutions. It's just about hat pays and what you grew up with. Microsoft used a similar approach decades ago, and it paid off in spades. But navigating Windows also isn't as easy as we'd think as people who grew up on it. Example: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/tech-innovation/teaching-learning/2024/03/26/colleges-adding-digital-literacy-graduation https://www.insidehighered.com/news/tech-innovation/teaching...
- nbittich 2y agoTry krita, it's open source, it's easy to use and has lots of features
- m-schuetz 2y agoKrita and Photopea are fantastic alternatives to GIMP, with way less confusing UI.
- singularity2001 2y agoI'm glad this is so high up. Why praise OSS with very bad ux? For starters they didn't even keybind settings to ⌘, didn't even keybind save to ⌘s [0] when quitting there is no option to save clicking + on brush size increases it from 40 to 40.01 (!) of cause no wheel support to change size ... I'm sure with every minute of trying this the list got longer and longer. Feels like an X window to an ancient unix machine. [0] while ⌘s doesnt work for new images it does work for "overwrite" jpg etc which is a HUGE advancement!
- ginko 2y agoIMO it feels quite entitled of Mac users to expect open source software to cater to the (rather weird) UI conventions of their proprietary operating system.
- Aachen 2y agoSeems pretty trivial to bind a settings screen to, eh, however you even make that symbol on US international keyboard, insert that here. Why not submit a pull request to create that bind? Or have you at least mentioned that this bothers you, maybe they'll even do the work for you?
- curiouser3 2y ago"GIMP is not a competitor to Photoshop; Photoshop is an image manipulator while GIMP is a puzzle-based image modifier." - a youtube comment I saw once
- mixmastamyk 2y agoDefeatist nonsense. You could spend a half hour with a tutorial, but instead write here. The UI is 95% the same as every image editor since 1985.
- skeaker 2y agoTheirs is the prevailing opinion the world over, so I'd be inclined to take it with more than a grain of salt. Bad UX exists and is a valid problem.
- mixmastamyk 2y agoAs I said it’s the same UI as MacPaint. You don’t hear from the silent majority.