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As I understand it, we would get: - defensive alliance that includes a nuclear power, France - free trade with Europe to replace some of our lost US trade

qwe----3 2y ago
1) Don't you already have that? 2) Don't you already have a trade deal with the EU? You'd reduce your ability to control borders and immigration levels + have to adopt the EU regulatory burden
joshdavham 2y ago
Yes, but at the price of our independence. I love Europe, but I would not in anyway be okay with EU politicians from other countries imposing laws on us. I like that we can govern ourselves.
- FredPret 2y ago
  Agreed but would be nice to have a backstop in case of invasion from either the North or South. I guess Nato is already supposed to do that though. Furthermore, I was wrong about trade: we already have free trade agreements with all the rest of the rich world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_agreements_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_agreements_of_Canad... Maybe we just need an expansion of East-West infrastructure so as to shift some of that easy default US trade elsewhere.
aborsy 2y ago
This is such a shallow comment. EU is in fact defenseless (at least til the next 5 years), and terrified of US leaving the Europe. It can’t hold back Russia, a country far smaller than EU in population and GDP. Canada could have trade agreements with other countries. Being part of EU is not in Canada’s interest. It could operate like Switzerland, maybe.
- FredPret 2y ago
  How in the world can the EU "not hold back Russia"? After the past few years, do you believe that if Russia invaded the EU, it would win?
  - aborsy 2y ago
    I’m not sure if I follow. It’s been 3 years and Ukraine, with the support of US and EU, has lost significant territory. If US withdraws, EU/Ukraine will clearly be in a very bad situation. EU currently doesn’t have proper air defense, military and army. It will take at least 5 years to build the required capabilities.
    - FredPret 2y ago
      The US + EU is fighting by proxy (less efficient than direct), in a limited fashion, and very reluctantly at that. Even that's been enough to extend Putin's "three day" war into three years with colossal losses on both sides, and a completely unsustainable situation in Russia. If Russians set foot on EU soil, the game changes much for the worse for Russia.
- anotherhue 2y ago
  You are spreading nonsense. Russia and Europe have a rich history of invading each other. This isn't even the first time Crimea has been captured and re-taken. Poland alone could probably manage it, and I'm fairly sure the UK would join also. Simple comparison of military forces will give you your answer.
floxy 2y ago
>defensive alliance that includes a nuclear power, France Isn't the king of Canada the same person as the king of the UK, which is also a nuclear power with nuclear weapons? What extra is France bringing to the mix?

qwe----3 2y ago

1) Don't you already have that? 2) Don't you already have a trade deal with the EU? You'd reduce your ability to control borders and immigration levels + have to adopt the EU regulatory burden

joshdavham 2y ago

Yes, but at the price of our independence. I love Europe, but I would not in anyway be okay with EU politicians from other countries imposing laws on us. I like that we can govern ourselves.

FredPret 2y ago
Agreed but would be nice to have a backstop in case of invasion from either the North or South. I guess Nato is already supposed to do that though. Furthermore, I was wrong about trade: we already have free trade agreements with all the rest of the rich world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_agreements_of_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_agreements_of_Canad... Maybe we just need an expansion of East-West infrastructure so as to shift some of that easy default US trade elsewhere.

aborsy 2y ago

This is such a shallow comment. EU is in fact defenseless (at least til the next 5 years), and terrified of US leaving the Europe. It can’t hold back Russia, a country far smaller than EU in population and GDP. Canada could have trade agreements with other countries. Being part of EU is not in Canada’s interest. It could operate like Switzerland, maybe.

FredPret 2y ago
How in the world can the EU "not hold back Russia"? After the past few years, do you believe that if Russia invaded the EU, it would win?
- aborsy 2y ago
  I’m not sure if I follow. It’s been 3 years and Ukraine, with the support of US and EU, has lost significant territory. If US withdraws, EU/Ukraine will clearly be in a very bad situation. EU currently doesn’t have proper air defense, military and army. It will take at least 5 years to build the required capabilities.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    The US + EU is fighting by proxy (less efficient than direct), in a limited fashion, and very reluctantly at that. Even that's been enough to extend Putin's "three day" war into three years with colossal losses on both sides, and a completely unsustainable situation in Russia. If Russians set foot on EU soil, the game changes much for the worse for Russia.
anotherhue 2y ago
You are spreading nonsense. Russia and Europe have a rich history of invading each other. This isn't even the first time Crimea has been captured and re-taken. Poland alone could probably manage it, and I'm fairly sure the UK would join also. Simple comparison of military forces will give you your answer.

floxy 2y ago

>defensive alliance that includes a nuclear power, France Isn't the king of Canada the same person as the king of the UK, which is also a nuclear power with nuclear weapons? What extra is France bringing to the mix?