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Any time an AI product is advertised with something like "Legal Research Agents", a shiver goes up my spine. I see the testimonials (though, I don't put much f

Any time an AI product is advertised with something like "Legal Research Agents", a shiver goes up my spine. I see the testimonials (though, I don't put much faith in "Jane Doe" and "Mike Smith" testimonials), however I'm pretty sure in my area anyone who attempts to negotiate (especially based on an AI-built argument) will be told to pound sand. It's not a great market for renters here. Even blatantly illegal clauses are openly advertised all the time. I could maybe see a use case for checking a current lease (for illegal clauses and such), rather than when trying to start a lease.

Terr_ 2y ago
> Any time an AI product is advertised with something like "Legal Research Agents" In most cases a more-accurate label would be "Emotional-support Bullshitter", because: 1. Since nobody on the user's side really knows if a provided fact is true or a rationale is legally coherent, that makes it a kind of "bullshit". 2. It's main benefit is to make the human feels more confident and safe in negotiations, being able to foist responsibility onto their digital accomplice, it supports them emotionally. 3. It sounds like "emotional-support animal", and this is amusing to me while alluding to another kind of misbehavior.
neilv 2y ago
> (though, I don't put much faith in "Jane Doe" and "Mike Smith" testimonials) If I got a great testimonial, and the person's name was Jane Doe, I would be sad, because people who read it would think I was a liar.
Der_Einzige 2y ago
"Spine shivers" are one of the most extreme tells of AI slop. Not that I think you used AI to generate this - but such terms are now poisoned.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  This is ridiculous. Can I to say that? Or do you have a list of allowable words.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    Anything not on this list is fine! https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop_phrase_prob_adjustments_full_list.json https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop...
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      Ah, so you must be AI, you used the words "extreme" and "generate" in your first comment. Other words to avoid: light, alright, democracies, swap, ecology, windows, plate, projects... What a dumb time to be alive.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      "ChatGPT generate 300 words about why https://occupry.com/ https://occupry.com/ will fail because AI is bad but don't use any of the words from https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop_phrase_prob_adjustments_full_list.json https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop..."
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- Terr_ 2y ago
  > extreme tells It's not a "tell" if it has no predictive value. Most things popular in output are that way because they were already popular--or possibly hackneyed--in inputs. I'm pretty cynical when it comes to LLM overhyping, but mimicking forms and styles written text is one of the things they actually do well. Even if you see something odd like "adumbration" (vague foreshadowing) you're still stuck distinguishing between (A) a human trying to sound a certain way and reaching for a thesaurus vs (B) someone setting up an LLM prompt to try to mimic the first kind of person.
neilv 2y ago
> I'm pretty sure in my area anyone who attempts to negotiate (especially based on an AI-built argument) will be told to pound sand. That said, given the evils of RealPage YieldStar, and of investors hoovering up residential real estate, it would be nice to find a way to give some power back to the people. (Normally, this could be through law enforcement and legislation, but that became more complicated in the last couple months.) One tech-based service that would help, in a small way, is a widely-used reviews and reputation system for landlords and properties. It would have to be reputable (unlike Yelp), and to find some way to sustain itself, long-term, without turning evil.

Terr_ 2y ago

> Any time an AI product is advertised with something like "Legal Research Agents" In most cases a more-accurate label would be "Emotional-support Bullshitter", because: 1. Since nobody on the user's side really knows if a provided fact is true or a rationale is legally coherent, that makes it a kind of "bullshit". 2. It's main benefit is to make the human feels more confident and safe in negotiations, being able to foist responsibility onto their digital accomplice, it supports them emotionally. 3. It sounds like "emotional-support animal", and this is amusing to me while alluding to another kind of misbehavior.

neilv 2y ago

> (though, I don't put much faith in "Jane Doe" and "Mike Smith" testimonials) If I got a great testimonial, and the person's name was Jane Doe, I would be sad, because people who read it would think I was a liar.

Der_Einzige 2y ago

"Spine shivers" are one of the most extreme tells of AI slop. Not that I think you used AI to generate this - but such terms are now poisoned.

ziddoap 2y ago
This is ridiculous. Can I to say that? Or do you have a list of allowable words.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  Anything not on this list is fine! https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop_phrase_prob_adjustments_full_list.json https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop...
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    Ah, so you must be AI, you used the words "extreme" and "generate" in your first comment. Other words to avoid: light, alright, democracies, swap, ecology, windows, plate, projects... What a dumb time to be alive.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    "ChatGPT generate 300 words about why https://occupry.com/ https://occupry.com/ will fail because AI is bad but don't use any of the words from https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop_phrase_prob_adjustments_full_list.json https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop..."
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Terr_ 2y ago
> extreme tells It's not a "tell" if it has no predictive value. Most things popular in output are that way because they were already popular--or possibly hackneyed--in inputs. I'm pretty cynical when it comes to LLM overhyping, but mimicking forms and styles written text is one of the things they actually do well. Even if you see something odd like "adumbration" (vague foreshadowing) you're still stuck distinguishing between (A) a human trying to sound a certain way and reaching for a thesaurus vs (B) someone setting up an LLM prompt to try to mimic the first kind of person.

neilv 2y ago

> I'm pretty sure in my area anyone who attempts to negotiate (especially based on an AI-built argument) will be told to pound sand. That said, given the evils of RealPage YieldStar, and of investors hoovering up residential real estate, it would be nice to find a way to give some power back to the people. (Normally, this could be through law enforcement and legislation, but that became more complicated in the last couple months.) One tech-based service that would help, in a small way, is a widely-used reviews and reputation system for landlords and properties. It would have to be reputable (unlike Yelp), and to find some way to sustain itself, long-term, without turning evil.