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> You can't expect the police to arrest criminals knowing full well the DA is immediately going to drop or reduce charges and let them loose. You can't expect

> You can't expect the police to arrest criminals knowing full well the DA is immediately going to drop or reduce charges and let them loose. You can't expect the police to do their jobs?

tharne 2y ago
> You can't expect the police to do their jobs? Imagine you're a programmer, or a chef, or a carpenter, really anything. Now imagine you go to work every day, put in 8-10 hours a day working hard, and at the end of each day someone in a more powerful position than yourself throws out, ignores, or otherwise destroys all of your work for that day. And this happens every day, day after day. No matter your work ethic or how much you care about your job, sooner or later after enough of your work is sabotaged, you're going to give up. So no, I do not expect the police to "do their job" as you put it, when a chief prosecutor publicly and vocally undermines that work each and every day. If you can't understand that very fundamental human reaction, then I don't know what to tell you.
- MegaButts 2y ago
  Whenever you feel like not doing your job, just tell your boss "I don't want to" and see how that goes for you. I understand how motivation works. Sometimes doing a job sucks. That's part of why you get paid to do it. It sounds to me like those police officers don't want to do their jobs. I'd encourage them to quit instead of wasting tax dollars. Of course the real issue is they want the money without the work, and the respect without having to earn it.
  - throwaway9191aa 2y ago
    But that isn't what appears to be happening. Their "boss" (the DA) is the one saying "I don't want to". When your boss gives you clear incentives, like not prosecuting (throwing out) portions of your work, you are going to stop that work and focus on other things.
    - MegaButts 2y ago
      The DA is not their boss. Cops are supposed to enforce laws. The DA is supposed to prosecute them. The cops are just using the DA as an excuse to not do their jobs. And once you normalize the cops not arresting people, now the DA has an excuse for prosecuting fewer criminals - at that point how do you decide who's to blame? Now you have two dysfunctional organizations, each pointing the finger at the other, and you've already normalized at least one of them. Even if you think the cops shouldn't be arresting people because of the DA, at the very least this skews data on crime as police are making fewer arrests independent of crime levels. This is like me saying I don't want to do my job because those other guys in the other department aren't going to do anything with it, so I'm just not going to bother. I think almost everyone can relate to lazy/incompetent coworkers - does that mean you should also be lazy/incompetent? The way to fight laziness is with hard work, and the way to fight incompetence is with competence. What you're advocating for just normalizes dysfunction.
- asacrowflies 2y ago
  I know if I refused to do my work or even hinted I wouldn't do it...no matter if the boss destroyed it... Id be fired faster than those police lighting up a suspects vehicle with bullet holes.
  - throwaway9191aa 2y ago
    Why are these comments saying that not doing a small part of a job that your boss doesn't want you to do is means for dismissal? If something you are doing is being thrown away, you should change focus (like pulling back on quality of life arrests, and focus on real crimes). If your boss is destroying all your work, you're going to get fired for not producing anything. I'd recommend you figure out what your boss cares about.
- gusgus01 2y ago
  Not to be flippant, that sounds like working at a lot of big tech companies nowadays. More conceptually, you have the constant churn of in house tooling meaning what you wrote last year needs to be rewritten to work with the new version of X (be it the ticketing system or the new process to store secrets or the new frontend framework that will fix everything). And even more concretely, there are teams that will fully get sunset when a new product or service deprecates them or beats them to market. Famously, that was how the iPhone was developed, with teams competing internally in Apple. https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/28/iphone-creation-click-wheel-tony-fadell/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/28/iphone-creation-click-wheel-t...
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  So I'm an employee at any grocery store or pre-prepared meal place (fast food, Starbucks, what have you) who does their job in compliance with a health code? ... that could, actually, explain a little bit of the work ethic (though I'm pretty sure it's "scraping along the bottom of minimum wage" that explains most of it).
- bastardoperator 2y ago
  Welcome to having a job/career. We've all put time and effort in to projects that never materialized. Do you expect every one of your ideas to be adopted and implemented by others? Surely not... LAPD is a bastion of terrible police work. They have a rich history of killing, beating, racism, and organized crime. Maybe they're still doing bad police work, ever considered that? This budget is to protect them from civil rights lawsuits they're losing on the regular... which actually makes them the law breakers.

> You can't expect the police to arrest criminals knowing full well the DA is immediately going to drop or reduce charges and let them loose. You can't expect the police to do their jobs?

tharne 2y ago

> You can't expect the police to do their jobs? Imagine you're a programmer, or a chef, or a carpenter, really anything. Now imagine you go to work every day, put in 8-10 hours a day working hard, and at the end of each day someone in a more powerful position than yourself throws out, ignores, or otherwise destroys all of your work for that day. And this happens every day, day after day. No matter your work ethic or how much you care about your job, sooner or later after enough of your work is sabotaged, you're going to give up. So no, I do not expect the police to "do their job" as you put it, when a chief prosecutor publicly and vocally undermines that work each and every day. If you can't understand that very fundamental human reaction, then I don't know what to tell you.

MegaButts 2y ago
Whenever you feel like not doing your job, just tell your boss "I don't want to" and see how that goes for you. I understand how motivation works. Sometimes doing a job sucks. That's part of why you get paid to do it. It sounds to me like those police officers don't want to do their jobs. I'd encourage them to quit instead of wasting tax dollars. Of course the real issue is they want the money without the work, and the respect without having to earn it.
- throwaway9191aa 2y ago
  But that isn't what appears to be happening. Their "boss" (the DA) is the one saying "I don't want to". When your boss gives you clear incentives, like not prosecuting (throwing out) portions of your work, you are going to stop that work and focus on other things.
  - MegaButts 2y ago
    The DA is not their boss. Cops are supposed to enforce laws. The DA is supposed to prosecute them. The cops are just using the DA as an excuse to not do their jobs. And once you normalize the cops not arresting people, now the DA has an excuse for prosecuting fewer criminals - at that point how do you decide who's to blame? Now you have two dysfunctional organizations, each pointing the finger at the other, and you've already normalized at least one of them. Even if you think the cops shouldn't be arresting people because of the DA, at the very least this skews data on crime as police are making fewer arrests independent of crime levels. This is like me saying I don't want to do my job because those other guys in the other department aren't going to do anything with it, so I'm just not going to bother. I think almost everyone can relate to lazy/incompetent coworkers - does that mean you should also be lazy/incompetent? The way to fight laziness is with hard work, and the way to fight incompetence is with competence. What you're advocating for just normalizes dysfunction.
asacrowflies 2y ago
I know if I refused to do my work or even hinted I wouldn't do it...no matter if the boss destroyed it... Id be fired faster than those police lighting up a suspects vehicle with bullet holes.
- throwaway9191aa 2y ago
  Why are these comments saying that not doing a small part of a job that your boss doesn't want you to do is means for dismissal? If something you are doing is being thrown away, you should change focus (like pulling back on quality of life arrests, and focus on real crimes). If your boss is destroying all your work, you're going to get fired for not producing anything. I'd recommend you figure out what your boss cares about.
gusgus01 2y ago
Not to be flippant, that sounds like working at a lot of big tech companies nowadays. More conceptually, you have the constant churn of in house tooling meaning what you wrote last year needs to be rewritten to work with the new version of X (be it the ticketing system or the new process to store secrets or the new frontend framework that will fix everything). And even more concretely, there are teams that will fully get sunset when a new product or service deprecates them or beats them to market. Famously, that was how the iPhone was developed, with teams competing internally in Apple. https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/28/iphone-creation-click-wheel-tony-fadell/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/28/iphone-creation-click-wheel-t...
shadowgovt 2y ago
So I'm an employee at any grocery store or pre-prepared meal place (fast food, Starbucks, what have you) who does their job in compliance with a health code? ... that could, actually, explain a little bit of the work ethic (though I'm pretty sure it's "scraping along the bottom of minimum wage" that explains most of it).
bastardoperator 2y ago
Welcome to having a job/career. We've all put time and effort in to projects that never materialized. Do you expect every one of your ideas to be adopted and implemented by others? Surely not... LAPD is a bastion of terrible police work. They have a rich history of killing, beating, racism, and organized crime. Maybe they're still doing bad police work, ever considered that? This budget is to protect them from civil rights lawsuits they're losing on the regular... which actually makes them the law breakers.