> As someone who personally knows people in the industry, I'm pretty confident in saying that TSLA will never actually deliver any type of robust, safe autonomo

> As someone who personally knows people in the industry, I'm pretty confident in saying that TSLA will never actually deliver any type of robust, safe autonomous driving system. The organization itself is just not capable of it anymore. Very much so. I think it's at least a decade out, and when it comes, it won't be from Tesla. Like you say, the org mindset isn't there. I'm reminded of this story from a component manufacturer about the mindset of Tesla: "Hey, we sent you over the new firmware for the component, check it out." (The test suite for this component takes approximately 36 hours to execute.) Three hours later: "This is working so much better, thanks a lot!" "???" "Oh, we just flashed a car we have here and took it out for a drive." "?!?" Oof.