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2019 was before ChatGPT. Generative AI could change the game for digital voice assistants.

by divbzero 2y ago

kzrdude 2y ago
I think it's weird that they (Alexa, Google etc) haven't tried to do something new with generative AI assistants.
- deleted 2y ago
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- divbzero 2y ago
  I think they have all been trying [1][2][3] which is why assessments about voice assistants from 2019 might not apply today. [1]: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/devices/new-alexa-generative-artificial-intelligence https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/devices/new-alexa-generativ... [2]: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-apple-intelligence-with-siri-iph17bafe0f6/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-apple-intelligenc... [3]: https://blog.google/products/assistant/google-assistant-bard-generative-ai/ https://blog.google/products/assistant/google-assistant-bard...
- DanHulton 2y ago
  "They" or in this case, Apple, has. This is largely why the latest Siri AI enhancements went over so poorly. Hallucinations when trying to get important personal data or accomplish important tasks are not viewed terribly fondly.
  - smallmancontrov 2y ago
    You're giving Apple too much credit in a way that their press releases are carefully crafted to encourage you to. The on-the-ground reality is that Siri will sometimes prompt me for permission to ship her mangled speech-to-text out to a very stale ChatGPT model and read what comes back. That's not failure by hallucination, that's failure by duct taping on an extra limb and wondering why it isn't useful.
- kazinator 2y ago
  They have. You can switch your Android phone from the old Google Assistant to Gemini. I don't like it, so I use Gemini separately by going to the Gemini URL, leaving the assistant as is. It may be dumb, but it's useful. Just like you wouldn't replace your Bash with a GUI, at least not for some values of 'you'.
  - amaranth 2y ago
    Google Assistant is going away soon so this won't work anymore. https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/03/end-of-life-gemini-will-completely-replace-google-assistant-later-this-year/ https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/03/end-of-life-gemini-wi...
    - kazinator 2y ago
      I wonder how that will affect older devices, like Android TV streaming boxes, where you use the assistant through the remote. I see that the article mentions this, but I'm skeptical. I think that the assistant will just be switched off, and that will be it; no more using the older Android TV box to ask for today's weather or search for videos.
      - laggyluke 2y ago
        I think older and low power devices would actually be easier to port: they capture the audio request, send it to the server, receive an audio response from the server and play it. No local "intelligence" at all. So you could probably replace the whole backend while keeping things compatible as long as you maintain that simple API.
mvdtnz 2y ago
I'll believe it when I see it.
SpaceNoodled 2y ago
The last thing I need is another bullshit generator.
ern 2y ago
Weird that this got downvoted, considering that Amazon is currently rolling out Alexa+.
- mmcwilliams 2y ago
  If the complaint was that the product wasn't profitable, wouldn't adding expensive LLM inference costs potentially make the problem worse at least at the outset?

2019 was before ChatGPT. Generative AI could change the game for digital voice assistants.

kzrdude 2y ago

I think it's weird that they (Alexa, Google etc) haven't tried to do something new with generative AI assistants.

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divbzero 2y ago
I think they have all been trying [1][2][3] which is why assessments about voice assistants from 2019 might not apply today. [1]: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/devices/new-alexa-generative-artificial-intelligence https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/devices/new-alexa-generativ... [2]: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-apple-intelligence-with-siri-iph17bafe0f6/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-apple-intelligenc... [3]: https://blog.google/products/assistant/google-assistant-bard-generative-ai/ https://blog.google/products/assistant/google-assistant-bard...
DanHulton 2y ago
"They" or in this case, Apple, has. This is largely why the latest Siri AI enhancements went over so poorly. Hallucinations when trying to get important personal data or accomplish important tasks are not viewed terribly fondly.
- smallmancontrov 2y ago
  You're giving Apple too much credit in a way that their press releases are carefully crafted to encourage you to. The on-the-ground reality is that Siri will sometimes prompt me for permission to ship her mangled speech-to-text out to a very stale ChatGPT model and read what comes back. That's not failure by hallucination, that's failure by duct taping on an extra limb and wondering why it isn't useful.
kazinator 2y ago
They have. You can switch your Android phone from the old Google Assistant to Gemini. I don't like it, so I use Gemini separately by going to the Gemini URL, leaving the assistant as is. It may be dumb, but it's useful. Just like you wouldn't replace your Bash with a GUI, at least not for some values of 'you'.
- amaranth 2y ago
  Google Assistant is going away soon so this won't work anymore. https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/03/end-of-life-gemini-will-completely-replace-google-assistant-later-this-year/ https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/03/end-of-life-gemini-wi...
  - kazinator 2y ago
    I wonder how that will affect older devices, like Android TV streaming boxes, where you use the assistant through the remote. I see that the article mentions this, but I'm skeptical. I think that the assistant will just be switched off, and that will be it; no more using the older Android TV box to ask for today's weather or search for videos.
    - laggyluke 2y ago
      I think older and low power devices would actually be easier to port: they capture the audio request, send it to the server, receive an audio response from the server and play it. No local "intelligence" at all. So you could probably replace the whole backend while keeping things compatible as long as you maintain that simple API.

mvdtnz 2y ago

I'll believe it when I see it.

SpaceNoodled 2y ago

The last thing I need is another bullshit generator.

ern 2y ago

Weird that this got downvoted, considering that Amazon is currently rolling out Alexa+.

mmcwilliams 2y ago
If the complaint was that the product wasn't profitable, wouldn't adding expensive LLM inference costs potentially make the problem worse at least at the outset?