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So much shadiness. Here's a few other ways: - Tesla's statistics on AP/FSD-related crash incidents specifically does not include fatality incidents. - Tesla's

So much shadiness. Here's a few other ways: - Tesla's statistics on AP/FSD-related crash incidents specifically does not include fatality incidents. - Tesla's statistics on AP/FSD-related crash incidents specifically does not include any incidents without SRS airbag deployment (this may not seem egregious, but realize that current airbag algorithms are far more sophisticated than 'collision at x speed, deploy', and take into account angle of attack, whether the vehicle was decelerating or accelerating at the moment of impact, etc. It could decide that the best method of protecting a passenger in a 25mph collision is to fire the seatbelt tensioners, not the airbags. According to Tesla, this would "not be a reported incident". It also includes accidents where the vehicle is so severely damaged airbag systems -fail- to deploy. Also not an incident.) - A previous fatality collision had Tesla holding a press conference when too much heat was coming toward their AP/FSD systems, to mislead the public. A Tesla spokesperson implied that the vehicle was actively warning the driver about inattentiveness and that that lead to the collision. When the NHTSA concluded their investigation they found that: the vehicle -had- warned the driver about inattentiveness, -one time-, and crucially, that that single incident happened -eighteen minutes- prior to the collision.

dinobones 2y ago
There's more shadiness behind Tesla's autopilot/FSD history... - Actually, blatantly faking videos of Tesla FSD. - Elon claiming unsupervised NY to LA would be possible by end of 2016 (almost 10 years ago). - Elon claiming all cars sold today (years ago) have required hardware to become robotaxis. - Tesla salesmen of the past telling customers their cars were investments because they would become robotaxis that would make money. Theranos lasted 15 years, so I'm surprised $TSLA is being called this early. As someone who personally knows people in the industry, I'm pretty confident in saying that TSLA will never actually deliver any type of robust, safe autonomous driving system. The organization itself is just not capable of it anymore. All that are left are people trying to game metrics and not get fired, that type of culture just can't produce it.
- TheAlchemist 2y ago
  "called this early" - got a pretty good laugh ! The difference with Theranos is that Tesla managed to become one of the biggest (by market cap) companies on earth, while it's CEO become the richest person on earth. The eventual fallout will be much, much worse.
  - lawn 2y ago
    To be fair, Tesla is also producing actual drivable cars. (Maybe that's why it's surprising that it's declining so soon.)
    - TheAlchemist 2y ago
      It's true. That's also why people are so confused about those who call the company a Con or scam. But in current context, with cratering sales, that's actually a disadvantage - these 100k people and different factories still need to be paid and maintained. This part of business will be bleeding cash in Q1 already.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > As someone who personally knows people in the industry, I'm pretty confident in saying that TSLA will never actually deliver any type of robust, safe autonomous driving system. The organization itself is just not capable of it anymore. Very much so. I think it's at least a decade out, and when it comes, it won't be from Tesla. Like you say, the org mindset isn't there. I'm reminded of this story from a component manufacturer about the mindset of Tesla: "Hey, we sent you over the new firmware for the component, check it out." (The test suite for this component takes approximately 36 hours to execute.) Three hours later: "This is working so much better, thanks a lot!" "???" "Oh, we just flashed a car we have here and took it out for a drive." "?!?" Oof.

dinobones 2y ago

There's more shadiness behind Tesla's autopilot/FSD history... - Actually, blatantly faking videos of Tesla FSD. - Elon claiming unsupervised NY to LA would be possible by end of 2016 (almost 10 years ago). - Elon claiming all cars sold today (years ago) have required hardware to become robotaxis. - Tesla salesmen of the past telling customers their cars were investments because they would become robotaxis that would make money. Theranos lasted 15 years, so I'm surprised $TSLA is being called this early. As someone who personally knows people in the industry, I'm pretty confident in saying that TSLA will never actually deliver any type of robust, safe autonomous driving system. The organization itself is just not capable of it anymore. All that are left are people trying to game metrics and not get fired, that type of culture just can't produce it.

TheAlchemist 2y ago
"called this early" - got a pretty good laugh ! The difference with Theranos is that Tesla managed to become one of the biggest (by market cap) companies on earth, while it's CEO become the richest person on earth. The eventual fallout will be much, much worse.
- lawn 2y ago
  To be fair, Tesla is also producing actual drivable cars. (Maybe that's why it's surprising that it's declining so soon.)
  - TheAlchemist 2y ago
    It's true. That's also why people are so confused about those who call the company a Con or scam. But in current context, with cratering sales, that's actually a disadvantage - these 100k people and different factories still need to be paid and maintained. This part of business will be bleeding cash in Q1 already.
FireBeyond 2y ago
> As someone who personally knows people in the industry, I'm pretty confident in saying that TSLA will never actually deliver any type of robust, safe autonomous driving system. The organization itself is just not capable of it anymore. Very much so. I think it's at least a decade out, and when it comes, it won't be from Tesla. Like you say, the org mindset isn't there. I'm reminded of this story from a component manufacturer about the mindset of Tesla: "Hey, we sent you over the new firmware for the component, check it out." (The test suite for this component takes approximately 36 hours to execute.) Three hours later: "This is working so much better, thanks a lot!" "???" "Oh, we just flashed a car we have here and took it out for a drive." "?!?" Oof.