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" Why did you pick these default wake words and not something like “computer” or “okay assist”? A wake word should be uncommon in everyday conversations at home

by elif 2y ago

" Why did you pick these default wake words and not something like “computer” or “okay assist”? A wake word should be uncommon in everyday conversations at home or in media, such as music or TV, to minimize the risk of the device activating unintentionally. “Nabu”, “Jarvis”, and “Mycroft” ... " They hardcoded the wake words in hardware... Why not just use LLM common sense to say "does this really sound like a purposeful activation?" Or put a GPU in there, or export the call to your PC like they require for text to speech? For being a DIY thing, they made it inexplicably hard to D

arcrwlock 2y ago
Because then you'd be running a full speech to text model all the time, and an LLM any time any speech is detected.
- elif 2y ago
  Uh yea, I want that to happen. Correct. Why would I want things happening without the model knowing and having context? Have you seen Star Trek? We should have computer by now. An agent which knows when to tell us things we need to know, not just respond to requests.
  - AdieuToLogic 2y ago
    >> Because then you'd be running a full speech to text model all the time, and an LLM any time any speech is detected. > Uh yea, I want that to happen. Be careful what you wish for. > Have you seen Star Trek? We should have computer by now. An agent which knows when to tell us things we need to know, not just respond to requests. Have you read 1984[0]? Star Trek is fiction. A good fiction IMHO, but a fiction none the less. As such, the writers took "creative liberties" in order to present a storyline for viewers of same. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
    - elif 2y ago
      If you'd read 1984 recently enough you'd know it is based upon the notion of state and social imposed ideology becoming enmeshed, a locally running hub of pure logic is the antithesis of that concept. A better metaphor would be mephi from yamyatin's We (the original inspiration for 1984) which represents the kernel of u modulated truth which exists outside the calculus of the imposed social matrix Hilarious that you thought I'd wouldn't be familiar with the work, when you yourself appear to be that person
      - AdieuToLogic 2y ago
        > If you'd read 1984 recently enough you'd know it is based upon the notion of state and social imposed ideology becoming enmeshed ... My reference to 1984 was a juxtaposition used to illuminate the fallacy of: >> Have you seen Star Trek? We should have computer by now. An agent which knows when to tell us things we need to know, not just respond to requests. Be that as it may, the probability of a dystopian result is far greater than the utopian one quoted. > A better metaphor would be ... Since it was not a metaphor, the remaining critique is moot.
greycol 2y ago
They actually have thought it out well. The short of it is you can set up a device to constantly stream to home assistant so that you can use any wake word. That comes with the draw back of more power use and more importantly higher cpu use for each microphone you add. It's still possible (https://github.com/dscripka/openWakeWord https://github.com/dscripka/openWakeWord) The alternative for a dedicated low power device is to have trained a model to run on smaller micro controllers so that it can run locally on low powered devices (https://github.com/kahrendt/microWakeWord https://github.com/kahrendt/microWakeWord) this is what they have chosen for their dedicated devices. This choice also comes with much higher default privacy. Which is great as home assistant offers cloud integration and the fact that they put privacy first in this area makes it much easier to trust they do the right thing in other areas. A brief run down on the subject https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/about_wake_word/ https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/about_wake_word/

by elif 2y ago

arcrwlock 2y ago

Because then you'd be running a full speech to text model all the time, and an LLM any time any speech is detected.

elif 2y ago
Uh yea, I want that to happen. Correct. Why would I want things happening without the model knowing and having context? Have you seen Star Trek? We should have computer by now. An agent which knows when to tell us things we need to know, not just respond to requests.
- AdieuToLogic 2y ago
  >> Because then you'd be running a full speech to text model all the time, and an LLM any time any speech is detected. > Uh yea, I want that to happen. Be careful what you wish for. > Have you seen Star Trek? We should have computer by now. An agent which knows when to tell us things we need to know, not just respond to requests. Have you read 1984[0]? Star Trek is fiction. A good fiction IMHO, but a fiction none the less. As such, the writers took "creative liberties" in order to present a storyline for viewers of same. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
  - elif 2y ago
    If you'd read 1984 recently enough you'd know it is based upon the notion of state and social imposed ideology becoming enmeshed, a locally running hub of pure logic is the antithesis of that concept. A better metaphor would be mephi from yamyatin's We (the original inspiration for 1984) which represents the kernel of u modulated truth which exists outside the calculus of the imposed social matrix Hilarious that you thought I'd wouldn't be familiar with the work, when you yourself appear to be that person
    - AdieuToLogic 2y ago
      > If you'd read 1984 recently enough you'd know it is based upon the notion of state and social imposed ideology becoming enmeshed ... My reference to 1984 was a juxtaposition used to illuminate the fallacy of: >> Have you seen Star Trek? We should have computer by now. An agent which knows when to tell us things we need to know, not just respond to requests. Be that as it may, the probability of a dystopian result is far greater than the utopian one quoted. > A better metaphor would be ... Since it was not a metaphor, the remaining critique is moot.

greycol 2y ago

They actually have thought it out well. The short of it is you can set up a device to constantly stream to home assistant so that you can use any wake word. That comes with the draw back of more power use and more importantly higher cpu use for each microphone you add. It's still possible (https://github.com/dscripka/openWakeWord https://github.com/dscripka/openWakeWord) The alternative for a dedicated low power device is to have trained a model to run on smaller micro controllers so that it can run locally on low powered devices (https://github.com/kahrendt/microWakeWord https://github.com/kahrendt/microWakeWord) this is what they have chosen for their dedicated devices. This choice also comes with much higher default privacy. Which is great as home assistant offers cloud integration and the fact that they put privacy first in this area makes it much easier to trust they do the right thing in other areas. A brief run down on the subject https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/about_wake_word/ https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/about_wake_word/