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I’m not sure it neutralizes it for everyone. Dem staffers have mentioned how Biden was mentally declining for the last few years and that it was denied and cove

I’m not sure it neutralizes it for everyone. Dem staffers have mentioned how Biden was mentally declining for the last few years and that it was denied and covered up by the party leaders. There have been allegations that a few people close to him have basically run the last administration by using the auto pen instead of him. I’m not sure if that can ever be proven. But my point is I think this tactic of undoing pardons may be a thing specific to Biden’s situation.

dialup_sounds 2y ago
Trump "declared" them invalid "because of the fact that they were done by Autopen", which isn't specific to the pardons or to Biden at all.
JohnFen 2y ago
> I think this tactic of undoing pardons may be a thing specific to Biden’s situation. Why do you think this? It doesn't matter what the current administration thinks. If it sets the legal precedent that it can undo pardons by prior administrations based on little more than what the president thinks, then that power is also available to be used by future administrations based on their own opinions as well.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  I understand your point around precedent. My point is that Trump is not going to do something that removes the power of pardon from himself. I think the way they’re going to approach this is to frame it as a Biden specific problem with the pardons. It may end up requiring a court process, but it is possible that they will bring evidence forward to show that Biden was not really making these pardon decisions himself.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > it is possible that they will bring evidence forward to show that Biden was not really making these pardon decisions himself. I seriously doubt this. If they had such evidence, they would have already presented it publicly for political purposes.
- 6510 2y ago
  I actually believe that the not signing thing is a much bigger deal. What then becomes the job description if you cant be bothered to sign? A few steps further you can legitimately deny ever seeing a document. That it bears your rubber stamp means nothing, anyone could have done that.

dialup_sounds 2y ago

Trump "declared" them invalid "because of the fact that they were done by Autopen", which isn't specific to the pardons or to Biden at all.

JohnFen 2y ago

> I think this tactic of undoing pardons may be a thing specific to Biden’s situation. Why do you think this? It doesn't matter what the current administration thinks. If it sets the legal precedent that it can undo pardons by prior administrations based on little more than what the president thinks, then that power is also available to be used by future administrations based on their own opinions as well.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
I understand your point around precedent. My point is that Trump is not going to do something that removes the power of pardon from himself. I think the way they’re going to approach this is to frame it as a Biden specific problem with the pardons. It may end up requiring a court process, but it is possible that they will bring evidence forward to show that Biden was not really making these pardon decisions himself.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > it is possible that they will bring evidence forward to show that Biden was not really making these pardon decisions himself. I seriously doubt this. If they had such evidence, they would have already presented it publicly for political purposes.
6510 2y ago
I actually believe that the not signing thing is a much bigger deal. What then becomes the job description if you cant be bothered to sign? A few steps further you can legitimately deny ever seeing a document. That it bears your rubber stamp means nothing, anyone could have done that.