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Apple Intelligence is also a symptom of a bigger problem. It used to be that back in the earlier days of iOS and overall tech industry, a combination of common

Apple Intelligence is also a symptom of a bigger problem. It used to be that back in the earlier days of iOS and overall tech industry, a combination of common decency and App Store rules meant notification spam wasn't really a thing (you wouldn't consider doing it, and if you would then you may very well get booted off the store). This meant that at the time there was frankly no need to run notifications/etc through a summarizer (or even make notifications persist after unlocking the screen). But then Apple gave up on enforcing the rule, and the push for more "growth & engagement" meant that common decency was also out the window, so now notification spam is normal and even Apple itself engages in it to advertise Apple Music/etc.

rgovostes 2y ago
Today Facebook Messenger sent me a second notification about a message because I hadn't responded to the first one 6 hours earlier. They are hell-bent on making the experience as miserable as possible to drive engagement. The rule about promotional push notifications being opt-in still exists in the App Review Guidelines, it may just take some public shaming to get Apple to enforce it. (While many apps from big publishers skirt the rule, DoorDash is the most egregious I've noticed: if you opt out of promo notifications, they'll try to trick you into turning them back on every time you place an order, suggesting that you won't receive delivery updates otherwise.)
redserk 2y ago
I’ve removed every app I can over this because. Highly recommend. For the remaining apps that I can’t avoid like Uber, I turn notifications off. There’s a 5 minute window where I’ll have to switch between the Uber app and whatever I’m doing, but I’ll file it under fidgeting. I think it’s important to call out abuse of notifications for what it is. Notifications are for important events that a user expects. If a service wants to lie to me about what’s important, what else are they lying about? Amusingly, this is only conditioning me to use fewer apps on a phone, which is making switching to an Android with alternative firmware slowly become easier.
- rchaud 2y ago
  Yep, I did this some time ago when I realized how few things actually need apps, when the website does the same thing without notifications and tracking.

rgovostes 2y ago

Today Facebook Messenger sent me a second notification about a message because I hadn't responded to the first one 6 hours earlier. They are hell-bent on making the experience as miserable as possible to drive engagement. The rule about promotional push notifications being opt-in still exists in the App Review Guidelines, it may just take some public shaming to get Apple to enforce it. (While many apps from big publishers skirt the rule, DoorDash is the most egregious I've noticed: if you opt out of promo notifications, they'll try to trick you into turning them back on every time you place an order, suggesting that you won't receive delivery updates otherwise.)

redserk 2y ago

I’ve removed every app I can over this because. Highly recommend. For the remaining apps that I can’t avoid like Uber, I turn notifications off. There’s a 5 minute window where I’ll have to switch between the Uber app and whatever I’m doing, but I’ll file it under fidgeting. I think it’s important to call out abuse of notifications for what it is. Notifications are for important events that a user expects. If a service wants to lie to me about what’s important, what else are they lying about? Amusingly, this is only conditioning me to use fewer apps on a phone, which is making switching to an Android with alternative firmware slowly become easier.

rchaud 2y ago
Yep, I did this some time ago when I realized how few things actually need apps, when the website does the same thing without notifications and tracking.