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How is that anything but plain racist and sexist? Who can seriously defend this kind of behaviour?

1shooner 2y ago
I don't hold this opinion, and don't claim to know what these people truly believe, but I think their rhetoric would respond by saying that grouping and featuring people on the website based on their gender/race is sexist/racist. For instance, Colin Powell is still featured as a 'notable grave', but there is not a page that indexes him by his race.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  But they're grouping all the white men together by doing this.
  - ffsm8 2y ago
    Not specifying gender/race doesn't imply white man... So no, they're not. There is no reason to specifically point out the gender or race unless it's explicitly about something related to that gender/race, and the only situations of that kind that I can think of right now are at the very least adjacent to racism/sexism.
    - locopati 2y ago
      In a country that historically has denigrated the actions of black people and women, you can see no reason to make it easy to find black people or women who have served their country in a distinguished manner?
      - ffsm8 2y ago
        What value do you see in such lists? Is it to honor these individuals? If so: no. The very existence of such a criteria implies that they're not worthy to go on the regular list, which is effectively racist and essentially diminishes the honor. If your goal is political messaging and holding on to racism to further your own agenda, then yes: You'll want them.
        locopati 2y ago
        what a fascinating and fucked up way to look at the world. people are inspired by people like themselves. when it's rare to see someone like yourself succeed in a field and when there aren't many folks like yourself in a field, it can be inspiring to see others who have succeeded and who may have come from similar circumstances.
anonymousiam 2y ago
Are you referring to the removal, or to the exclusionary promotion of the honored dead who happened to be of a particular skin color or sex?
aaron695 2y ago
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I don't hold this opinion, and don't claim to know what these people truly believe, but I think their rhetoric would respond by saying that grouping and featuring people on the website based on their gender/race is sexist/racist. For instance, Colin Powell is still featured as a 'notable grave', but there is not a page that indexes him by his race.

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
But they're grouping all the white men together by doing this.
- ffsm8 2y ago
  Not specifying gender/race doesn't imply white man... So no, they're not. There is no reason to specifically point out the gender or race unless it's explicitly about something related to that gender/race, and the only situations of that kind that I can think of right now are at the very least adjacent to racism/sexism.
  - locopati 2y ago
    In a country that historically has denigrated the actions of black people and women, you can see no reason to make it easy to find black people or women who have served their country in a distinguished manner?
    - ffsm8 2y ago
      What value do you see in such lists? Is it to honor these individuals? If so: no. The very existence of such a criteria implies that they're not worthy to go on the regular list, which is effectively racist and essentially diminishes the honor. If your goal is political messaging and holding on to racism to further your own agenda, then yes: You'll want them.
      - locopati 2y ago
        what a fascinating and fucked up way to look at the world. people are inspired by people like themselves. when it's rare to see someone like yourself succeed in a field and when there aren't many folks like yourself in a field, it can be inspiring to see others who have succeeded and who may have come from similar circumstances.

anonymousiam 2y ago

Are you referring to the removal, or to the exclusionary promotion of the honored dead who happened to be of a particular skin color or sex?

aaron695 2y ago

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