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No need to apologize, it's interesting to share different experiences of music. I consider myself a pretty serious music fan, insofar as back in the CD days I b
by alisonatwork 2y ago
No need to apologize, it's interesting to share different experiences of music. I consider myself a pretty serious music fan, insofar as back in the CD days I bought hundreds, and even still today I continue to buy digital music, "crate digging" on Bandcamp for hours. But I don't really listen to the words, I find they often interfere with what the raw emotion of the music would have been without them.
I mentioned psytrance, and that's an example of a genre that is largely instrumental, but when they do include a vocal sample, it's invariably some kind of vapid nonsense about taking drugs, and to me - unless the song is deliberately silly - that often undermines the impact of what the music was saying on its own.
I don't buy the idea that vocals are necessary for communication, because otherwise nobody would ever listen to lyrical music in a language they don't understand, except people do and it's very popular. I often prefer to listen to music in a language I don't understand, if anyway I am forced to listen to vocal music, since then I can just enjoy the sounds in their own right. The human voice is a very versatile instrument and can make some really cool sounds.
(NIN tie-in: I think The Becoming is one of their best vocals-forward songs, not because of the lyrics, but because the choice of syllables in certain sections is very musical: e.g. "me that you know" is soft and open, but then "had some second thoughts" transitions into harder syllables, followed sharp explosions of "scabs" and "sore" in the next line. The sound communicates more than the lyric.)
(Edit 1 hour later because I realize I forgot the best part: the final "me that you know" is followed up with "made up of wires", while "scabs" and "sore" have been replaced with "with" and "away". Musically, there is a progression from the call-and-response "eee aaa ooo ohh? suh! suh! suh!" to "eee aaa ooo ohh? wuh, wuh, wuh..." The sharp "S" sounds evoke the imagery of close and present danger, a rattlesnake or steam/gas leaking under pressure, whereas the "W" sounds are more distant, like a bird flying overhead or the rhythmic thrum of a fan. For me this emphasizes the sense of something kind of becoming weaker and smaller before the eventual transformation at the end of the song. Thus vocals help create a thematic progression even without the lyrical context.)
But I also think that treating music like an ideal form of communication is a bit of an elitist perspective. There are some artists who get upset when people don't get the message that they are trying to convey, but I think most artists understand that the act of releasing a work to the public means they no longer have control over it. People are going to interpret the work however they want, they will weave it into the narrative of their own lives and make it into something different and unexpected and that's actually the beauty of sharing art in the first place - it enriches everybody. I think the problem comes from gatekeeper-like fans who imagine that the original intent of the artist is pure and sacred and anyone who is interprets it differently is a lesser fan, unworthy of the gift that was bestowed upon them. I think this kind of framing is unproductive, since to me all art is communal and ephemeral and if it's not being shared to elevate the collective conscious then what was the point to share it at all? People don't need to listen to music to wallow in someone else's ego trip, then they could just go to work, or watch the news, or whatever.
- erikerikson 2y agoIn that case, thank you for indulging me. I am not so serious about music though I do enjoy and appreciate it. Sounds like we agree about the ability of language to distract from music and it sounds like you are far more interested in the tonal layer of music that I am. It sounds you get more joy from its raw material. I agree that language isn't required for communication. I also accept that music can be enjoyed without language and also in a language you don't understand. Where I think we might diverge is the depth of communicative capacity for both tones and language. I like the idea that there could be communicative depths in music that my attention defaults cause me to miss and are available to me with intention. I would accept that in some dimensions music can more deeply communicate than language, as I believe the converse. However, the "volume/area of" meaning that I was assign as more-or-less exclusively or best communicated with tones is smaller than that I would assign more-or-less exclusively to language (and more precisely to the invocation of the concepts referenced by language). Of course, my leaning is to believe that they can communicate even more effectively together in complement. I'm not sure where the "music as an ideal form of communication" comment came from. Perhaps this was you indulging in something dear to you or proactively defending/limiting to protect or increase understanding? Regardless, I agree that conceptual transmission can occur in many ways of varying bandwidth. There was a bit in my comment that you write adjacently to here about which I felt a little embarrassed. It was trying to summarize the communications and claim definite subjects. I was a bit embarrassed because I agree that many artists revel in the unfettered nature of their art. Claiming a particular topic can be seen as an attempt to limit and simplify which would be at least a little sad. There are definitely alternative concepts and summaries that I could have written and feel were covered just as plausibly. That flexibility is, I believe, often intentional and many songs invite the listener to explorations of the many possible dimensions and one can get lost into meta-narratives and their own dimensional possibilities. To briefly revisit the communication bandwidth topic, text has been found one of the least effective transmission forms. To any extent I seemed to be gatekeeping, I apologize and did not intend to (though talking about my internal confusion could be interpreted in such a way). To any extent you were concerned about gatekeeping, I didn't notice it. On the other hand, I could interpret that as a set up for the beautiful thesis you end with and with which I agree. I can think of other reasons than raising the collective consciousness, the mass transmission of messages meant to draw in a particular as yet unidentified individual for more proximal relationship (ignoring the intentional creation of parasocial feelings), to gather and/or organize communities for social experimentation or practice, or just collect capital. Still, the raising of consciousness, the sharing of perspectives, mutually supported growth, and so on is part of what I love in art most. Thank you for the discussion, it has enriched my weekend.