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You might enjoy reading Rules for Radicals if you haven't already. If your riot can provoke a worse response from the authority, it can help your cause. The rea

You might enjoy reading Rules for Radicals if you haven't already. If your riot can provoke a worse response from the authority, it can help your cause. The reaction is the action. It may be that this protest in Serbia got a bit rowdy and riotous (see "diversity of tactics") and now the headline is about the government's use of a disproportionate weapon against protestors, not about a riot.

tptacek 2y ago
Rules for Radicals is one of my favorite books and I don't think this an accurate summary of what Alinsky says, at all. It's a short book, you can get it for free online, people should just read it.
- krainboltgreene 2y ago
  This tracks so much with what you’ve said before.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> You might enjoy reading Rules for Radicals if you haven't already. If your riot can provoke a worse response from the authority One motif of Allinsky's message is the importance of organisation. Triggering tear gas against your peaceful protest is one thing. Losing control of it such that stores start getting looted is not. > It may be that this protest in Serbia got a bit rowdy and riotous (see "diversity of tactics") and now the headline is about the government's use of a disproportionate weapon against protestors This is the first-order effect. They got a tweet. (Not a headline.) I'm sceptical they'll get a second because this isn't a clear case of a nonlethal weapon being used against a peaceful crowd, it's something more muddled, and as a result there are zero comments in this thread discussing what the protesters are protesting.
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  Just for the sake of the thread, these are "anti-corruption" protests. It is essentially a mass vote of no confidence in the government. The immediate inciting incident was the collapse of a railway station in Novi Sad that killed a bunch of people, but it has turned into much more. It's been going since November. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the prelude to a civil war.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
  > They got a tweet. (Not a headline.) They got a headline https://apnews.com/article/serbia-protest-sonic-weapon-8502587e5849997175a5ea02f98d2e19 https://apnews.com/article/serbia-protest-sonic-weapon-85025... > Serbian officials deny illegal sonic weapon attack on peaceful protesters
Kostic 2y ago
This happened during 15 minutes of silence for 15 persons that died in the collapse. Everyone was silent and mourning.

tptacek 2y ago

Rules for Radicals is one of my favorite books and I don't think this an accurate summary of what Alinsky says, at all. It's a short book, you can get it for free online, people should just read it.

krainboltgreene 2y ago
This tracks so much with what you’ve said before.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> You might enjoy reading Rules for Radicals if you haven't already. If your riot can provoke a worse response from the authority One motif of Allinsky's message is the importance of organisation. Triggering tear gas against your peaceful protest is one thing. Losing control of it such that stores start getting looted is not. > It may be that this protest in Serbia got a bit rowdy and riotous (see "diversity of tactics") and now the headline is about the government's use of a disproportionate weapon against protestors This is the first-order effect. They got a tweet. (Not a headline.) I'm sceptical they'll get a second because this isn't a clear case of a nonlethal weapon being used against a peaceful crowd, it's something more muddled, and as a result there are zero comments in this thread discussing what the protesters are protesting.

pclmulqdq 2y ago
Just for the sake of the thread, these are "anti-corruption" protests. It is essentially a mass vote of no confidence in the government. The immediate inciting incident was the collapse of a railway station in Novi Sad that killed a bunch of people, but it has turned into much more. It's been going since November. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the prelude to a civil war.
__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
> They got a tweet. (Not a headline.) They got a headline https://apnews.com/article/serbia-protest-sonic-weapon-8502587e5849997175a5ea02f98d2e19 https://apnews.com/article/serbia-protest-sonic-weapon-85025... > Serbian officials deny illegal sonic weapon attack on peaceful protesters

Kostic 2y ago

This happened during 15 minutes of silence for 15 persons that died in the collapse. Everyone was silent and mourning.