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I don’t think governments should have access to the “make the protestors immediately go away” button that they can just hit whenever they want.
by mdhb 2y ago
I don’t think governments should have access to the “make the protestors immediately go away” button that they can just hit whenever they want.
- CaffeineLD50 2y ago[flagged]
- mdhb 2y agoWhat on earth is wrong with you?
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoI would prefer protesters not be killed by oppressive governments. I guess you prefer tanks and guns. Feel free to make an argument.
- perching_aix 2y agoAn argument with which they could win a scenario conveniently tailored by you, that you have arbitrary control over, and can twist until their argument is rendered senseless again? > I would prefer protesters not be killed by oppressive governments. I guess you prefer tanks and guns. On a tangential note, may I ask your stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I'd guess you're also a great proponent of the "peace" the Trump administration is drafting?
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoWhoa, great tangent. I'm saying I'd rather see people robbed of their human rights by non lethal force over lethal force. There's * dozens* of mass killings that prove its not uncommon. You have some wingnut tangent about Ukraine and assumptions that since I don't ride your high horse I'm a bad guy of fantastical proportions. Its weak minded thinkers like you that prop up the evil cabals of this world. Feel free to contemplate the cancerous nature of your intellectual defects.
- perching_aix 2y agoEngaging in conversations with people like you is a severe intellectual defect of mine constantly on the forefront of my mind, don't worry. > There's * dozens* of mass killings that prove its not uncommon. Do you know what are there dozens of examples of also? Protests that didn't result in lethal weapons being used, or weapons similar to LRAD and ADS. But that doesn't fit the convenient headcanon you oh so desperately want to corner people into "debating" with you, so that's of little concern I imagine. You keep citing unicorns on my end, yet the only thing that seems to matter to you are your own fantasies, where options other than being Tienanmanned or being sound cannoned don't exist. No, sound cannons shall be fucking awesome because they do not directly kill, and indirect kills don't matter probably because of some other tirade about unicorns. Permanent damage also doesn't matter for similar reasons. It's all black and white, and the point is that everyone else is wrong and just a pussy, and you're badass and right. Congratulations. A real thinker of our time. > since I don't ride your high horse I'm a bad guy of fantastical proportions Oh, no. I think of you way lower than just a "bad guy", in good part because a language model demonstrates better reasoning, intellectual honesty, and self-reflection abilities than you do, all the while not deflecting in a hilariously performative manner to accusing the other of moralization. > Its weak minded thinkers like you that prop up the evil cabals of this world. Mirror. Now. You're the one taking the stance of "but at least they didn't die so it's okay', you're the one preemptively victimizing yourself by people who dare to fault their govt at all, and then YOU HAVE THE GALL to call such people the enablers, and the weak minded. "Bad guy" my ass. You yourself are the cabal.
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoOK some protests aren't attacked. Agreed. In so called non Democratic countries they tend to be arrested/ imprisoned/ killed. Uhm. So what? Some protests never happen. Some protests people wear pink hats. Some protests people stay home. So what? I think being dead is more permanent damage than hearing loss will ever be. So yeah. They're not dead. Lots of pussies are right and real men are wrong. Not sure why you bring up pussies? Your high horse is kindergarten clear: bad guys did something bad and we're supposed to have moral outrage or were gonna be condemned I refused your childish narrative and asserted my right to assert the morally superior position of life over hearing damage: I choose life. I never called anyone weak minded nor did I say sonic or non lethals were "OK". But you seem weak minded so maybe one person. Protestors are gonna be suppressed. Gas, arrest, mass beatings, kettling, mass shooting, etc. What does not kill them makes them stronger. Despite your weak minded analytic skills I appreciate your reply. Please try harder next time even though I know it gives you a head ache. Cheers.
- cced 2y agoYou’re missing the point. You can’t call yourself a democracy and prevent people from peacefully protesting. Either you allow people the right to demonstrate in peace to show those in power the scale with which a certain cause moves people or people skip protesting altogether.
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoEvery dictatorship claims to be a democracy, and your attempt to call BS on it will go nowhere. What point am I missing? Protest is a prelude to violence (or regime change) as much as an alternative.
- perching_aix 2y agoNo, I don't think that's what they were implying.
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoAnd what do you think they were implying ? A world of fairies and unicorns where protests are tolerated and bad guys just retire to Dubai ?
- perching_aix 2y agoYes, just without the fairies and the unicorns (or the Dubai travel destination). Or even the retiring.
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoYes I want fantasy unicorns too. Until then let's APPLAUD people not being killed in a protest, m'kay? Non lethal force is a good alternative, even when used for evil purposes.
- perching_aix 2y agoThis dilemma continues to exist in your own mind only.
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoThis article is designed to improve awareness of oppressiveness of the Serbian government: basic PR/insurgency propaganda 101. We're supposed to decry some sonic weapons while having no understanding of what is going on. So what's going on?
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- DFHippie 2y agoI would prefer that dissent be legal.
- CaffeineLD50 2y agoAnd I'd prefer lots of things that won't happen, too. I guess we're alike.
- vvchvb 2y agoGovernments, by definition, have legal access to anything they can get their hands on.
- seabass-labrax 2y agoThat depends on where you put international law into this. Since 1945 it has generally been considered that there's a limit to the actions that a sovereign country can take. International law might work primarily with treaties rather than 'conventional' laws, but there are already parallels with national legal systems. We have a kind of international legislature (the United Nations General Assembly) and a judiciary (the International Court of Justice).
- mdhb 2y agoThe people can and should act as a check on the social contract they have with their citizens
- ncallaway 2y agoThe problem with these devices, for the government, is that the people _might_ come back, but this time with tools designed to defeat these devices (such as guns as explosives). If that happens, it can be very bad (for both parties). Overuse of these kinds of things is...dangerous for the government
- mdhb 2y agoI mean history says that’s indeed the next logical step