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It's curious that a lot of Venezuelans campaigned for Trump and this is the outcome at the end. I doubt anyone could have seen this coming, for sure.

bingaweek 2y ago
Do citizen Venezuelans want gang members here just because they share the same homeland?
hagbard_c 2y ago
Do you think Venezuelans who campaigned for Trump/the Republicans want members of a violent prison gang to remain in the country they call their new home, given their nationality and with that themselves a bad name? They'll be pleased to see Trump make good on his promises just like most people are pleased to see illegal gang bangers removed from the country.
- Crazy-Pills-305 2y ago
  If these two hundred and something folks were guilty of being part of a transnational crime organization I'll be happy to see them pay their time, but so far I only know their crime was to be brown and Latino in the wrong place at the wrong time. What's been discussed here is the need for due process and how this makes anyone vulnerable, because now by default everyone can be guilty without recourse. Tomorrow someone might say you're part of "antifa" and whatever that word means and boom, your rights are vulnerable and your integrity at risk.
- archagon 2y ago
  Until their innocent kid with tattoos gets kidnapped to El Salvador or Guantanamo.
- croisillon 2y ago
  funny how the guy requesting a no politic rule * ends up commenting mainly under those * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43122960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43122960
  - hagbard_c 2y ago
    Did you read what I wrote there? Just in case you did not I'll quote it with emphasis on the important parts: "One of the differences between this site and the otherwise comparable Reddit is that politics is supposed to be mostly off-limits here where it can run wild on the former site. Had the election been won by 'the correct candidate' (according to the same vocal minority) I suspect that similar griping from the opposing side would have been slammed down hard as being off-topic so my question is: what is different this time around? Why is politics suddenly a relevant topic here?" It is the rules for thee but not for (D) which I reacted to there. Either all politics are off-limits or none are. Given that political discussions seem to be the new thing here the latter seems to be the case.

bingaweek 2y ago

Do citizen Venezuelans want gang members here just because they share the same homeland?

hagbard_c 2y ago

Do you think Venezuelans who campaigned for Trump/the Republicans want members of a violent prison gang to remain in the country they call their new home, given their nationality and with that themselves a bad name? They'll be pleased to see Trump make good on his promises just like most people are pleased to see illegal gang bangers removed from the country.

Crazy-Pills-305 2y ago
If these two hundred and something folks were guilty of being part of a transnational crime organization I'll be happy to see them pay their time, but so far I only know their crime was to be brown and Latino in the wrong place at the wrong time. What's been discussed here is the need for due process and how this makes anyone vulnerable, because now by default everyone can be guilty without recourse. Tomorrow someone might say you're part of "antifa" and whatever that word means and boom, your rights are vulnerable and your integrity at risk.
archagon 2y ago
Until their innocent kid with tattoos gets kidnapped to El Salvador or Guantanamo.
croisillon 2y ago
funny how the guy requesting a no politic rule * ends up commenting mainly under those * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43122960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43122960
- hagbard_c 2y ago
  Did you read what I wrote there? Just in case you did not I'll quote it with emphasis on the important parts: "One of the differences between this site and the otherwise comparable Reddit is that politics is supposed to be mostly off-limits here where it can run wild on the former site. Had the election been won by 'the correct candidate' (according to the same vocal minority) I suspect that similar griping from the opposing side would have been slammed down hard as being off-topic so my question is: what is different this time around? Why is politics suddenly a relevant topic here?" It is the rules for thee but not for (D) which I reacted to there. Either all politics are off-limits or none are. Given that political discussions seem to be the new thing here the latter seems to be the case.