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Hitler ideas were radical from the start. We just like to pretend otherwise in history manuals, because it started as a socialist thing, and since left HAS to

by seec 2y ago

Hitler ideas were radical from the start. We just like to pretend otherwise in history manuals, because it started as a socialist thing, and since left HAS to be the camp of the good, it has to become far-right radicalism. But if you look at history in various countries it is extremely consistent with socialist/left ideology that necessarily need to have an authoritarian state to put the world in the "right" state.

Tainnor 2y ago
Although a member of the German Worker's Party, Hitler was never an ardent socialist (you may confuse him with Mussolini), and both of them had completely broken with any "socialist" roots long before they came to power. Communists and social democrats were among the first targets of the Nazis.
- seec 2y ago
  His program was litteraly national socialism. He wanted to get rid of the communists but not because their ideas didn't suit him (in many ways it's extremely similar, central state deciding everything) but because they were sympathisan of the soviets; another big power that he just wanted to take over. I'm not confusing with Mussolini but yes it is more of the same. What I'm pointing out is that all those authoritarian centralised government are almost always some sort of far-left by definition. In my opinion the way we classify the political ideas and government is very flawed and illogical. It is that way to respect the sensibilities of the people theorising such things and they always want to have the left side look better (even though it is by far the most murderous ideology there has ever been).
  - Tainnor 2y ago
    There are a few more ideas behind socialism except just authoritarianism, ideas that run counter to the Nazi program. Thinking that Nazism is socialism just because it calls itself "national socialism" is like thinking that Javascript is a version of Java.

by seec 2y ago

Tainnor 2y ago

Although a member of the German Worker's Party, Hitler was never an ardent socialist (you may confuse him with Mussolini), and both of them had completely broken with any "socialist" roots long before they came to power. Communists and social democrats were among the first targets of the Nazis.

seec 2y ago
His program was litteraly national socialism. He wanted to get rid of the communists but not because their ideas didn't suit him (in many ways it's extremely similar, central state deciding everything) but because they were sympathisan of the soviets; another big power that he just wanted to take over. I'm not confusing with Mussolini but yes it is more of the same. What I'm pointing out is that all those authoritarian centralised government are almost always some sort of far-left by definition. In my opinion the way we classify the political ideas and government is very flawed and illogical. It is that way to respect the sensibilities of the people theorising such things and they always want to have the left side look better (even though it is by far the most murderous ideology there has ever been).
- Tainnor 2y ago
  There are a few more ideas behind socialism except just authoritarianism, ideas that run counter to the Nazi program. Thinking that Nazism is socialism just because it calls itself "national socialism" is like thinking that Javascript is a version of Java.