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Alternatively, his life was exactly what it had to be for him to do what he was supposed to.

by codr7 2y ago

Mistletoe 2y ago
I wonder what he would choose if he knew? A comfortable long life and happiness or to be remembered forever?
- echelon 2y ago
  "long life" is geologically just wishful thinking. We all have the same quality of life outcome when compared against the vastness of time. What is a billionaire's lavish life to the toil of an artist, inventor, or revolutionary? We all wind up rotting in the blink of an eye. Luxury, pleasure, and dopamine are as fleeting as youth. It's better to do something of note.
  - card_zero 2y ago
    If you lived twice as long, you could do two things of note. Twice as better.
    - katzgrau 2y ago
      Eh, I’ll go ahead and trust that life is about as long as it needs to be. Any “things of note” apart from genuinely helping someone else out on their journey when you had a shot is totally irrelevant from the broader perspective.
      - card_zero 2y ago
        The part where "you have a shot" is crucially important. Otherwise, if all people do is help others to help others, you have a circular system where nothing is done.
        Exoristos 2y ago
        If all everyone does is help others, you have a circular system where everything is done.
    - ashoeafoot 2y ago
      The candle that burns twice as bright only burns half as long.
      - winwang 2y ago
        Unless you make the candle out of better materials.
    - muzani 2y ago
      A lot of masterpieces are done by 30, whether it's founding FAANG, the theory of relativity, Bohemian Rhapsody, etc. I've always found it interesting that these people do so much with so few resources, then when people like Einstein had the freedom to do what they like, they couldn't outdo what they did in their earlier years. You'd think that with more experience, money, and connections, they'd be besting themselves again and again.
  - jama211 2y ago
    This sounds like some serious copium, we don’t live in the vastness of time, we live now. Not to mention that I can assure you in the vastness of time his work will also be forgotten in an almost as small a “blink of the eye” in geological time. You could just as easily say “we’ll all end up rotting in the blink of an eye, so better to be happy and enjoy it than waste your time trying pointlessly to do something of note that will be forgotten”.
    - echelon 2y ago
      Your enjoyment is a machine responding to neural stimuli that evolved to follow gradients in order to propagate genes. This enjoyment is infinitesimal no matter how much you generate in your short lifespan. None of it will be enjoyed when you perish. Even more damning: the pleasure you had ten minutes ago cannot be enjoyed now. Sex, fine meals, belongings from years ago can't bring you anything. It's just ephemeral chemical flux. Saturating those pathways is malinvestment into entropy. Thought and actions have much more meaning to time than our tiny, worthless genes. Or the neurotransmitters dancing in our brains. Or the decaying weights that hold thoughts just briefly. Brains carry a simulation of the world for a short time. They cannot be shared or replicated or extended. Their pleasure has no value to anyone but yourself, and like the hedonic treadmill on which they run, it doesn't provide enduring value. Just an endless appetite that calls to be satiated. Thoughts and actions, however, pay civilizational dividends. They endure beyond our short lives and carry our world's evolution into the vast future. We're all already practically dead. It won't be long. The years tick by in the blink of an eye. Everyone you know is growing old. You can make your finite choices and optimize for a few good trips, and a sports car if you want, but that's all meaningless. When you get Alzheimer's you won't remember. When you get cancer, it'll bring you little comfort. And when you die, it'll all be annihilated. Accolades and remembrance and legacy don't matter either. Just your actions and how they shape the future live on. That isn't to say you should live an entirely ascetic lifestyle devoid of pleasure and friends and family. We need some comfort to maintain our happiness and sanity. But to make it life's sole purpose seems like the greatest waste in the majestic algorithm of the cosmos. We're each the universe alive for the blink of an eye, and to only pleasure and tickle ourselves is such a shallow thing to spend such an invaluable thing on. I know lots of folks that live for the next vacation or the next big purchase, and they're spending their careers writing plumbing or glue, or shuffling paper. That's something I can't wrap my head around. It's not cope. It's recognition of our place in time.
  - BrandoElFollito 2y ago
    "long life" is quantically super dope. You get to live 10^8 times longer than a meson so you have ample time to profit feom luxury, pleasure and dopamine. And you have time to avoid philosophical discussions that distract you from the above.
- doctorhandshake 2y ago
  I don’t remember where I read it but I heard David Lynch recounting a conversation with his doctor in which he asked if being prescribed antidepressants could interfere with his creativity. The doctor said he couldn’t rule it out, so Lynch decided he’d rather deal with the symptoms of depression.
  - Trasmatta 2y ago
    On the other hand, Lynch also went on record saying that an artist doesn't need to suffer to produce great art. And that depression is the enemy of creativity. https://youtu.be/UljZmbgK_sI https://youtu.be/UljZmbgK_sI
    - haswell 2y ago
      Those aren’t necessarily in conflict with each other, though. As an often-depressed creative person, I find that depression is absolutely the enemy of creativity, but my creativity is often fueled by the same things that cause my depression. Meeting my creative goals is often about managing the depression. But without the depression, my creative output would likely be very different.
      - er4hn 2y ago
        Taken further - Art can be created as a response to seeing or experiencing suffering, but it is important to manage your own response to suffering. In On Writing, Stephen King has this lovely quote about his journey to get off of drugs: “The idea that the creative endeavor and mind-altering substances are entwined is one of the great pop-intellectual myths of our time. ... Substance abusing writers are just substance abusers — common garden variety drunks and druggies, in other words. Any claims that the drugs and alcohol are necessary to dull a finer sensibility are just the usual self-serving bullshit. I've heard alcoholic snowplow drivers make the same claim, that they drink to still the demons.”
        sudoshred 2y ago
        Lifestyle choices and an individual’s work product should be acknowledged to be uncorrelated. The practical reality is never that simple but attributing your own success, or that of anyone else, to external factors does a disservice to the originator of the work and to society at large.
- triceratops 2y ago
  He may not actually be remembered forever. It hasn't even been 150 years since he died. EDIT: He died in 1849 so it hasn't even been 200 years.

Alternatively, his life was exactly what it had to be for him to do what he was supposed to.

by codr7 2y ago

Alternatively, his life was exactly what it had to be for him to do what he was supposed to.

Mistletoe 2y ago

I wonder what he would choose if he knew? A comfortable long life and happiness or to be remembered forever?

echelon 2y ago
"long life" is geologically just wishful thinking. We all have the same quality of life outcome when compared against the vastness of time. What is a billionaire's lavish life to the toil of an artist, inventor, or revolutionary? We all wind up rotting in the blink of an eye. Luxury, pleasure, and dopamine are as fleeting as youth. It's better to do something of note.
- card_zero 2y ago
  If you lived twice as long, you could do two things of note. Twice as better.
  - katzgrau 2y ago
    Eh, I’ll go ahead and trust that life is about as long as it needs to be. Any “things of note” apart from genuinely helping someone else out on their journey when you had a shot is totally irrelevant from the broader perspective.
    - card_zero 2y ago
      The part where "you have a shot" is crucially important. Otherwise, if all people do is help others to help others, you have a circular system where nothing is done.
      - Exoristos 2y ago
        If all everyone does is help others, you have a circular system where everything is done.
  - ashoeafoot 2y ago
    The candle that burns twice as bright only burns half as long.
    - winwang 2y ago
      Unless you make the candle out of better materials.
  - muzani 2y ago
    A lot of masterpieces are done by 30, whether it's founding FAANG, the theory of relativity, Bohemian Rhapsody, etc. I've always found it interesting that these people do so much with so few resources, then when people like Einstein had the freedom to do what they like, they couldn't outdo what they did in their earlier years. You'd think that with more experience, money, and connections, they'd be besting themselves again and again.
- jama211 2y ago
  This sounds like some serious copium, we don’t live in the vastness of time, we live now. Not to mention that I can assure you in the vastness of time his work will also be forgotten in an almost as small a “blink of the eye” in geological time. You could just as easily say “we’ll all end up rotting in the blink of an eye, so better to be happy and enjoy it than waste your time trying pointlessly to do something of note that will be forgotten”.
  - echelon 2y ago
    Your enjoyment is a machine responding to neural stimuli that evolved to follow gradients in order to propagate genes. This enjoyment is infinitesimal no matter how much you generate in your short lifespan. None of it will be enjoyed when you perish. Even more damning: the pleasure you had ten minutes ago cannot be enjoyed now. Sex, fine meals, belongings from years ago can't bring you anything. It's just ephemeral chemical flux. Saturating those pathways is malinvestment into entropy. Thought and actions have much more meaning to time than our tiny, worthless genes. Or the neurotransmitters dancing in our brains. Or the decaying weights that hold thoughts just briefly. Brains carry a simulation of the world for a short time. They cannot be shared or replicated or extended. Their pleasure has no value to anyone but yourself, and like the hedonic treadmill on which they run, it doesn't provide enduring value. Just an endless appetite that calls to be satiated. Thoughts and actions, however, pay civilizational dividends. They endure beyond our short lives and carry our world's evolution into the vast future. We're all already practically dead. It won't be long. The years tick by in the blink of an eye. Everyone you know is growing old. You can make your finite choices and optimize for a few good trips, and a sports car if you want, but that's all meaningless. When you get Alzheimer's you won't remember. When you get cancer, it'll bring you little comfort. And when you die, it'll all be annihilated. Accolades and remembrance and legacy don't matter either. Just your actions and how they shape the future live on. That isn't to say you should live an entirely ascetic lifestyle devoid of pleasure and friends and family. We need some comfort to maintain our happiness and sanity. But to make it life's sole purpose seems like the greatest waste in the majestic algorithm of the cosmos. We're each the universe alive for the blink of an eye, and to only pleasure and tickle ourselves is such a shallow thing to spend such an invaluable thing on. I know lots of folks that live for the next vacation or the next big purchase, and they're spending their careers writing plumbing or glue, or shuffling paper. That's something I can't wrap my head around. It's not cope. It's recognition of our place in time.
- BrandoElFollito 2y ago
  "long life" is quantically super dope. You get to live 10^8 times longer than a meson so you have ample time to profit feom luxury, pleasure and dopamine. And you have time to avoid philosophical discussions that distract you from the above.
doctorhandshake 2y ago
I don’t remember where I read it but I heard David Lynch recounting a conversation with his doctor in which he asked if being prescribed antidepressants could interfere with his creativity. The doctor said he couldn’t rule it out, so Lynch decided he’d rather deal with the symptoms of depression.
- Trasmatta 2y ago
  On the other hand, Lynch also went on record saying that an artist doesn't need to suffer to produce great art. And that depression is the enemy of creativity. https://youtu.be/UljZmbgK_sI https://youtu.be/UljZmbgK_sI
  - haswell 2y ago
    Those aren’t necessarily in conflict with each other, though. As an often-depressed creative person, I find that depression is absolutely the enemy of creativity, but my creativity is often fueled by the same things that cause my depression. Meeting my creative goals is often about managing the depression. But without the depression, my creative output would likely be very different.
    - er4hn 2y ago
      Taken further - Art can be created as a response to seeing or experiencing suffering, but it is important to manage your own response to suffering. In On Writing, Stephen King has this lovely quote about his journey to get off of drugs: “The idea that the creative endeavor and mind-altering substances are entwined is one of the great pop-intellectual myths of our time. ... Substance abusing writers are just substance abusers — common garden variety drunks and druggies, in other words. Any claims that the drugs and alcohol are necessary to dull a finer sensibility are just the usual self-serving bullshit. I've heard alcoholic snowplow drivers make the same claim, that they drink to still the demons.”
      - sudoshred 2y ago
        Lifestyle choices and an individual’s work product should be acknowledged to be uncorrelated. The practical reality is never that simple but attributing your own success, or that of anyone else, to external factors does a disservice to the originator of the work and to society at large.
triceratops 2y ago
He may not actually be remembered forever. It hasn't even been 150 years since he died. EDIT: He died in 1849 so it hasn't even been 200 years.