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Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution enumerates the powers granted to Congress. Exactly zero of the powers authorize social security or Healthcare spending.

Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution enumerates the powers granted to Congress. Exactly zero of the powers authorize social security or Healthcare spending. These programs are entirely unconstitutional!

ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
Interesting: "entirely unconstitutional" according to whose judgement?
krapp 2y ago
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution grants Congress the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare. Healthcare is often cited as being part of the general welfare. The same article also creates the foundation for Congress to create spending programs like Medicare and Medicaid as being "proper and necessary" to carry out its enumerated powers, which include providing for the general welfare. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of this interpretation as far back as 1937 with regards to the Social Security Act, and has not declared these programs unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court alone determines what is and isn't constitutional. Try again.
- hellojesus 2y ago
  https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_a1sec8-html/ https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_a1sec8-html/ > The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; What is the point of drafting enumerated powers that have a catch-all phrase as the first enumeration? Literally anything can be argued to be for the "General Welfare" of the United States, because why would Congress pass something that wasn't? Why later state the gov can establish a Navy when you've already stated that Congress can provide defense? Why would you need that explicit authorization? The preamble sets the precedence for the actual powers. One cannot enumerate a catch-all, as it no longer requires enumeration. But I do agree: the Supreme Court, being the only such construct with the capacity, declared it Constitutional, just like they blew the Wickard v. Filburn decision. But I still consider them unconstitutional because these landmark decisions were only judged to be Constitutional by traitorous corwards that abandoned the Constitution in and of itself!
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  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    > I still consider them unconstitutional because these landmark decisions were only judged to be Constitutional by traitorous corwards that abandoned the Constitution in and of itself! This is dangerous thinking: 'my proclamations are truth, everyone who disagrees is a traitor'. With that mindset, how do you expect to change your mind when you're wrong?

ImPostingOnHN 2y ago

Interesting: "entirely unconstitutional" according to whose judgement?

krapp 2y ago

Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution grants Congress the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare. Healthcare is often cited as being part of the general welfare. The same article also creates the foundation for Congress to create spending programs like Medicare and Medicaid as being "proper and necessary" to carry out its enumerated powers, which include providing for the general welfare. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of this interpretation as far back as 1937 with regards to the Social Security Act, and has not declared these programs unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court alone determines what is and isn't constitutional. Try again.

hellojesus 2y ago
https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_a1sec8-html/ https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_a1sec8-html/ > The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; What is the point of drafting enumerated powers that have a catch-all phrase as the first enumeration? Literally anything can be argued to be for the "General Welfare" of the United States, because why would Congress pass something that wasn't? Why later state the gov can establish a Navy when you've already stated that Congress can provide defense? Why would you need that explicit authorization? The preamble sets the precedence for the actual powers. One cannot enumerate a catch-all, as it no longer requires enumeration. But I do agree: the Supreme Court, being the only such construct with the capacity, declared it Constitutional, just like they blew the Wickard v. Filburn decision. But I still consider them unconstitutional because these landmark decisions were only judged to be Constitutional by traitorous corwards that abandoned the Constitution in and of itself!
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- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  > I still consider them unconstitutional because these landmark decisions were only judged to be Constitutional by traitorous corwards that abandoned the Constitution in and of itself! This is dangerous thinking: 'my proclamations are truth, everyone who disagrees is a traitor'. With that mindset, how do you expect to change your mind when you're wrong?