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Looking at how much infrastructure needs to be spun up, I don't really see this as a good solution for personal note taking. If you use the Docker environment,

Looking at how much infrastructure needs to be spun up, I don't really see this as a good solution for personal note taking. If you use the Docker environment, you spin up 10 or more containers... including KeyClock. I get that this is intended to by hosted by a company or an organisation, but plenty of people are using Notion just as individuals. Most people would be better of with Obsidian, Bear, Notion or even Apple Notes.

johnecheck 2y ago
If we can spin up the 10 containers with a single docker compose command on a $5/month VPS, this really doesn't seem like too much for an individual. And the best part: this is MIT licensed. If it's actually difficult to set up, build a nice web UI that makes it easy and you've got a product.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  I'm not worried about the cost, you can probably run all of it in the closet on a Raspberry Pi, it's the complexity. What do you do when part of this inevitably fail, how do you get your data back out, where is the data? In Minio, in Postgresql?
wim 2y ago
We're working on an "IDE for notes/tasks" [1] in the space of Notion and so on where you can easily self-host the sync backend with a single binary. The idea is that you can choose between cloud or self-host (and "eject" at any time to switch between the two if you ever change your mind). We hope that might be a good balance between some companies or individuals wanting to self-host but still making it accessible when you don't know how any of that works, which indeed can get complicated fast. [1] https://thymer.com/ https://thymer.com/
- weakfish 2y ago
  I’d love to try this out - I signed up for beta access. Looking forward to giving it a shot!
- ukuina 2y ago
  This looks neat! Will the self-hosted binary function in air-gapped environments?
  - jdvh 2y ago
    Absolutely. There is no phone-home of any kind.
  - wim 2y ago
    Yep, should work!
- thor-rodrigues 2y ago
  That looks VERY AWESOME. Really looking forward to try it :)
- drio0 2y ago
  do you plan to have a mobile app? would you implement database function like in Notion? Is it a full feature todo app or just noting down tasks? would be a killer app if it has 3 Yes
  - jdvh 2y ago
    1. Planned, but our first focus is the web app (plus desktop Electron) 2. Yes. We have a bunch of default views like table, kanban, photo gallery, and calendar. You can also create your own views with a JS plugin, like this silly example of spinning globe view: https://x.com/wcools/status/1898828593255346287 https://x.com/wcools/status/1898828593255346287 3. Our aim is a full feature todo app. But we won't have every feature on day 1.
- jeelthompson 2y ago
  This looks really cool, signed up for early access. Any plans to have an import from notion feature? I’ve used notion for personal note taking and manually moving over would be a big time sync at this point. But I’d love to have a self hosted solution.
- grvdrm 2y ago
  Also going to sign up. Love your site. Looks great. Lots of visual appeal. Not the same cookies cutter Tailwind theme that seems to be present everywhere.
- Bigpet 2y ago
  looks neat. Like Acreom, but with better collaboration capabilities.
- Nelkins 2y ago
  I see you can @ people. Does that mean you can get notifications when you've been @-ed? Also, is there the ability to comment on documents? For me these are two killer features to leave a Notion or Confluence.
xena 2y ago
Honestly it's a reasonable set of dependencies: * Postgres for permanent storage * an OIDC identity provider so you don't have to make your own password system * Redis for caching * S3-compatible object storage (so you don't have to reinvent file uploads) * The app itself What would you rather them do? Waste time reinventing the wheel for no reason? If you have the IDP and object storage setup already figured out you can get away with just the app, postgres, and redis.
- RamblingCTO 2y ago
  That's a typical tech answer. Do you really want to spin up 10 images for note taking for yourself? From a product standpoint that's not sensible and wastes way to much resources.
  - vvillena 2y ago
    Good thing this is a server app and not an end-user product, then.
  - theflash666 2y ago
    you usually don't need a collaborative product when taking note for yourself
  - dymk 2y ago
    Why do I care how many images it's spinning up? That's an implementation detail - I just copy/paste a docker-compose configuration.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    Are you sure? It’s a collaborative note taking application which is designed to support large groups. A similar project we collaborate on has Helm charts as an option. “Are you mad? You run an online archive with how many pods, come again?” You may say. “When said archive can handle a continent’s load and scale almost indefinitely, you engineer things differently”, I’ll answer. Also, nobody will probably make this comment, if the said application was built by a private company and was not open source.
sylvinus 2y ago
Our primary target is indeed larger organizations but we're working on one-click deployment solutions and an all-in-one container.
addcommitpush 2y ago
This is an internal tool (which was open sourced) made by the French government digital service to be used by French government employee on French government infra. I do not think it is trying to be a better solution for individuals. It’s trying to be a better solution for gov employees.

johnecheck 2y ago

If we can spin up the 10 containers with a single docker compose command on a $5/month VPS, this really doesn't seem like too much for an individual. And the best part: this is MIT licensed. If it's actually difficult to set up, build a nice web UI that makes it easy and you've got a product.

mrweasel 2y ago
I'm not worried about the cost, you can probably run all of it in the closet on a Raspberry Pi, it's the complexity. What do you do when part of this inevitably fail, how do you get your data back out, where is the data? In Minio, in Postgresql?

wim 2y ago

We're working on an "IDE for notes/tasks" [1] in the space of Notion and so on where you can easily self-host the sync backend with a single binary. The idea is that you can choose between cloud or self-host (and "eject" at any time to switch between the two if you ever change your mind). We hope that might be a good balance between some companies or individuals wanting to self-host but still making it accessible when you don't know how any of that works, which indeed can get complicated fast. [1] https://thymer.com/ https://thymer.com/

weakfish 2y ago
I’d love to try this out - I signed up for beta access. Looking forward to giving it a shot!
ukuina 2y ago
This looks neat! Will the self-hosted binary function in air-gapped environments?
- jdvh 2y ago
  Absolutely. There is no phone-home of any kind.
- wim 2y ago
  Yep, should work!
thor-rodrigues 2y ago
That looks VERY AWESOME. Really looking forward to try it :)
drio0 2y ago
do you plan to have a mobile app? would you implement database function like in Notion? Is it a full feature todo app or just noting down tasks? would be a killer app if it has 3 Yes
- jdvh 2y ago
  1. Planned, but our first focus is the web app (plus desktop Electron) 2. Yes. We have a bunch of default views like table, kanban, photo gallery, and calendar. You can also create your own views with a JS plugin, like this silly example of spinning globe view: https://x.com/wcools/status/1898828593255346287 https://x.com/wcools/status/1898828593255346287 3. Our aim is a full feature todo app. But we won't have every feature on day 1.
jeelthompson 2y ago
This looks really cool, signed up for early access. Any plans to have an import from notion feature? I’ve used notion for personal note taking and manually moving over would be a big time sync at this point. But I’d love to have a self hosted solution.
grvdrm 2y ago
Also going to sign up. Love your site. Looks great. Lots of visual appeal. Not the same cookies cutter Tailwind theme that seems to be present everywhere.
Bigpet 2y ago
looks neat. Like Acreom, but with better collaboration capabilities.
Nelkins 2y ago
I see you can @ people. Does that mean you can get notifications when you've been @-ed? Also, is there the ability to comment on documents? For me these are two killer features to leave a Notion or Confluence.

xena 2y ago

Honestly it's a reasonable set of dependencies: * Postgres for permanent storage * an OIDC identity provider so you don't have to make your own password system * Redis for caching * S3-compatible object storage (so you don't have to reinvent file uploads) * The app itself What would you rather them do? Waste time reinventing the wheel for no reason? If you have the IDP and object storage setup already figured out you can get away with just the app, postgres, and redis.

RamblingCTO 2y ago
That's a typical tech answer. Do you really want to spin up 10 images for note taking for yourself? From a product standpoint that's not sensible and wastes way to much resources.
- vvillena 2y ago
  Good thing this is a server app and not an end-user product, then.
- theflash666 2y ago
  you usually don't need a collaborative product when taking note for yourself
- dymk 2y ago
  Why do I care how many images it's spinning up? That's an implementation detail - I just copy/paste a docker-compose configuration.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Are you sure? It’s a collaborative note taking application which is designed to support large groups. A similar project we collaborate on has Helm charts as an option. “Are you mad? You run an online archive with how many pods, come again?” You may say. “When said archive can handle a continent’s load and scale almost indefinitely, you engineer things differently”, I’ll answer. Also, nobody will probably make this comment, if the said application was built by a private company and was not open source.

sylvinus 2y ago

Our primary target is indeed larger organizations but we're working on one-click deployment solutions and an all-in-one container.

addcommitpush 2y ago

This is an internal tool (which was open sourced) made by the French government digital service to be used by French government employee on French government infra. I do not think it is trying to be a better solution for individuals. It’s trying to be a better solution for gov employees.