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This is from the Covid Timeline on Wikipedia: >According to an ABC news report, the American National Center for Medical Intelligence shared intelligence in la

This is from the Covid Timeline on Wikipedia: >According to an ABC news report, the American National Center for Medical Intelligence shared intelligence in late November, based on analysis of wire and computer intercepts and satellite images, regarding a potential respiratory disease in Wuhan. This was denied by the Pentagon.[4] On 13 March 2020, the South China Morning Post reported that Chinese government records suggest that the first case of infection with COVID-19 could be traced back to a 55-year-old Hubei resident on 17 November. Now, I swear to god I passed over a news item about a respiratory illness spreading around Wuhan in late November, and that people were being quarantined. It sounded serious, I wondered what it's chances were of spreading everywhere. I did some googling around, I learned about the Wuhan institute of Virology, it's relationship with other biosafety level IV labs around the world, and NIH funded gain-of-function research happening there. A couple months later when the rest of the world was paying attention, I went to look up the information and couldn't find any of it. I gave up on trying to sort fact from fiction because there was so much bullshit going around.

42772827 2y ago
You watched the narrative get built in real time. The same thing happened with Luigi.
treetalker 2y ago
Not to go all aluminium-foil hat, but around that same time the NYT broke the unidentified aerial phenomena story, and that up and vanished from its pages all of a sudden.
netsharc 2y ago
> I went to look up the information and couldn't find any of it I'm surprised there isn't a constant archive of what news sites put into the "memory hole". Maybe Google being shit isn't them failing, but deliberate (I don't seriously believe this). But I wonder how much of your story could've been the Mandela Effect. I remember looking back that I was at a busy European airport in December 2019 and thinking about "At that time, there must've been Chinese tourists there with the virus!", but I remember as well that when I was at the airport I wasn't worried if anyone was coughing or sneezing, i.e. Covid wasn't in my sphere of concern in December 2019.
- _zagj 2y ago
  > I'm surprised there isn't a constant archive of what news sites put into the "memory hole". Maybe Google being shit isn't them failing, but deliberate (I don't seriously believe this). archive.is
etempleton 2y ago
I think it would be fairly hard to erase the story entirely. Presumably there would be printed copies of The NY Times floating around still and it would be archived somewhere online officially and unofficially. Links on social media that would now be broken. It would also be difficult to silence all of the NY Reporters and staff who would still be aware and remember the story. Not just the management who could conceivably be in on such a cover up, but the rank and file (Once enough people know about something the odds of keeping it quiet becomes exponentially harder). It is of course also possible it did and does exist in some form but has been suppressed to become less discoverable. But to what end? The questions are did the US and other countries know or suspect it was likely a lab leak. And if they intentionally chose to suppress that information, why? The most likely reason for suppressing the information at the time, would be one of two reasons: 1. It is unhelpful to blame another country and call them out for lying when we all need to work together to solve this pandemic. China had the most experience and knowledge of COVID-19 in those first months. 2. The US, through collaborative involvement, would have also been culpable. I think number one is most likely.
- Fricken 2y ago
  At that time I was just clicking around in the various virology lab public facing web pages, glancing over their various research projects, the funding sources, the names of the scientists involved, it was all there, super transparent and open. I was just following my curiosity at that point, I was not suspicious or skeptical. So I'm Canadian, and I recall reading something about Canadian and Chinese scientists moving back and forth between the Wuhan and Winnipeg labs. It was all very open and collaborative. Of course, some time later sensational and scandalous headlines blew up about Chinese spies all up in our high security bio-labs. So I would say that if it is a lab leak, then China is culpable, the US is culpable, and they're culpable because they trusted the good judgement of the international science community that decides how labs such as the one in Wuhan are run. All parties have incentives to manage the narrative.
borgdefenser 2y ago
My strangest memory were these videos from China of people just falling over dead in the street in early 2020. A guy just standing there and then does a face plant on the street. I really have no idea what that was all about.

42772827 2y ago

You watched the narrative get built in real time. The same thing happened with Luigi.

treetalker 2y ago

Not to go all aluminium-foil hat, but around that same time the NYT broke the unidentified aerial phenomena story, and that up and vanished from its pages all of a sudden.

netsharc 2y ago

> I went to look up the information and couldn't find any of it I'm surprised there isn't a constant archive of what news sites put into the "memory hole". Maybe Google being shit isn't them failing, but deliberate (I don't seriously believe this). But I wonder how much of your story could've been the Mandela Effect. I remember looking back that I was at a busy European airport in December 2019 and thinking about "At that time, there must've been Chinese tourists there with the virus!", but I remember as well that when I was at the airport I wasn't worried if anyone was coughing or sneezing, i.e. Covid wasn't in my sphere of concern in December 2019.

_zagj 2y ago
> I'm surprised there isn't a constant archive of what news sites put into the "memory hole". Maybe Google being shit isn't them failing, but deliberate (I don't seriously believe this). archive.is

etempleton 2y ago

I think it would be fairly hard to erase the story entirely. Presumably there would be printed copies of The NY Times floating around still and it would be archived somewhere online officially and unofficially. Links on social media that would now be broken. It would also be difficult to silence all of the NY Reporters and staff who would still be aware and remember the story. Not just the management who could conceivably be in on such a cover up, but the rank and file (Once enough people know about something the odds of keeping it quiet becomes exponentially harder). It is of course also possible it did and does exist in some form but has been suppressed to become less discoverable. But to what end? The questions are did the US and other countries know or suspect it was likely a lab leak. And if they intentionally chose to suppress that information, why? The most likely reason for suppressing the information at the time, would be one of two reasons: 1. It is unhelpful to blame another country and call them out for lying when we all need to work together to solve this pandemic. China had the most experience and knowledge of COVID-19 in those first months. 2. The US, through collaborative involvement, would have also been culpable. I think number one is most likely.

Fricken 2y ago
At that time I was just clicking around in the various virology lab public facing web pages, glancing over their various research projects, the funding sources, the names of the scientists involved, it was all there, super transparent and open. I was just following my curiosity at that point, I was not suspicious or skeptical. So I'm Canadian, and I recall reading something about Canadian and Chinese scientists moving back and forth between the Wuhan and Winnipeg labs. It was all very open and collaborative. Of course, some time later sensational and scandalous headlines blew up about Chinese spies all up in our high security bio-labs. So I would say that if it is a lab leak, then China is culpable, the US is culpable, and they're culpable because they trusted the good judgement of the international science community that decides how labs such as the one in Wuhan are run. All parties have incentives to manage the narrative.

borgdefenser 2y ago

My strangest memory were these videos from China of people just falling over dead in the street in early 2020. A guy just standing there and then does a face plant on the street. I really have no idea what that was all about.