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I guess the majority in here would agree that without strong market intervention OpenAI will soon implode. They urgently need: - WIPO copyright exemption - An

by pera 2y ago

I guess the majority in here would agree that without strong market intervention OpenAI will soon implode. They urgently need: - WIPO copyright exemption - Anti-China protectionist measures - Hard-line hardware export control - Multi-billion dollar government contracts

maxglute 2y ago
That one weird trick. x4.
- gdiamos 2y ago
  Gold
viraptor 2y ago
A copyright exemption would just put them at the level of deepseek officially, but they've been working around that anyway in practice. I'm not sure that change would make any difference.
- rustc 2y ago
  > but they've been working around that anyway in practice Working around how?
  - gre 2y ago
    Flagrantly violating Edit: Facebook torrented 81.7TB of books. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-torrented-over-81-7tb-of-pirated-books-to-train-ai-authors-say/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-torrented-o...
  - rajman187 2y ago
    Well there was the case of an employee leaving due to his perceived moral issues around the use of copyrighted material in the training dataset [1] [1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/openai-whistleblower-who-raised-legal-concerns-about-chatgpts-datasets-has-died https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/openai-whistleblower-who...
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megous 2y ago
This is all protectionistic measures. Just let it implode, and let companies with better technology take over. Why should people involved in some hyped company deserve all this "socialism for the rich" from the state?
- pera 2y ago
  Yeah sorry I worded my comment in a weird way: I'm definitively not advocating for any of those points
bakuninsbart 2y ago
This is the old way of doing it, and probably the way the US is going to go with, at the detriment of its own population. - I would posit that since we are talking about digital goods, there is a better way: Require open source / open weights of any company that used data to it doesn't own to train its models. If chinese companies do not comply, their copyright becomes void in the US, and these models are very easy to copy. Treat advances in architecture as a utility, and let the utilization of those architectures be the market for companies to compete in.
ForTheKidz 2y ago
Of course, none of this will prevent china from producing technology that's clearly as impressive, if not more so.

by pera 2y ago

maxglute 2y ago

That one weird trick. x4.

gdiamos 2y ago
Gold

viraptor 2y ago

A copyright exemption would just put them at the level of deepseek officially, but they've been working around that anyway in practice. I'm not sure that change would make any difference.

rustc 2y ago
> but they've been working around that anyway in practice Working around how?
- gre 2y ago
  Flagrantly violating Edit: Facebook torrented 81.7TB of books. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-torrented-over-81-7tb-of-pirated-books-to-train-ai-authors-say/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-torrented-o...
- rajman187 2y ago
  Well there was the case of an employee leaving due to his perceived moral issues around the use of copyrighted material in the training dataset [1] [1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/openai-whistleblower-who-raised-legal-concerns-about-chatgpts-datasets-has-died https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/openai-whistleblower-who...
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megous 2y ago

This is all protectionistic measures. Just let it implode, and let companies with better technology take over. Why should people involved in some hyped company deserve all this "socialism for the rich" from the state?

pera 2y ago
Yeah sorry I worded my comment in a weird way: I'm definitively not advocating for any of those points

bakuninsbart 2y ago

This is the old way of doing it, and probably the way the US is going to go with, at the detriment of its own population. - I would posit that since we are talking about digital goods, there is a better way: Require open source / open weights of any company that used data to it doesn't own to train its models. If chinese companies do not comply, their copyright becomes void in the US, and these models are very easy to copy. Treat advances in architecture as a utility, and let the utilization of those architectures be the market for companies to compete in.

ForTheKidz 2y ago

Of course, none of this will prevent china from producing technology that's clearly as impressive, if not more so.