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motorest 2y ago
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- jiggawatts 2y ago
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  - sshine 2y ago
    Just because people see it this way now doesn’t mean that is how it all ends. The perspective of historians implies that they look back and see that it was, indeed, the end. Which it isn’t.
    - zwirbl 2y ago
      Nope, it seems more like the point where the fall accelerates
      - sshine 2y ago
        There’s a chance the Trump administration can bring the US out of its massive debt hole caused by every single recent administration before it. So yeah, it’s definitely accelerating, but the outcome has not been decided. I’ll happily take more downvotes to point out that society hasn’t collapsed yet in spite of your feelings. :-)
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    Even before he took office or did anything.
- pessimizer 2y ago
  How did Trump make US LLMs complacent in two months? I had no idea Deepseek was a Trump grift.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
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    - logicchains 2y ago
      Anti-intellectualism means not believing whatever the intellectuals tell you to believe, so they're entirely consistent in their opposition to it.
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  - thinkingtoilet 2y ago
    He didn't. And if you tried to read the OPs comment it's clear he's not saying that. And comments like this only prove his point.
  - motorest 2y ago
    Here's the comment I replied to: > With anti-science sentiment in America, I think China will take over everything. Look at what the current Trump administration has been doing to research institutions in the US. Nature published an article outright calling it "siege of science". https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00525-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00525-1 At a point in time where the US should step on the gas to prevent China to catch up, it's actually stepping hard on the breaks. I don't think this is even up for discussion.
- uhhhhhhh 2y ago
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BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
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Mountain_Skies 2y ago
What does Trump have to do with Sam Altman's management of OpenAI? If Harris was president, what race to the bottom do you imagine she would engage in so Sam Altman could undercut China?
- Philpax 2y ago
  That's not the argument they were making. What they're stating is that the Trump administration is directly facilitating the slow death of American intellectualism, and that this will have downstream consequences for what advances come out of the US in the future.
  - simianparrot 2y ago
    It’s been 1.5 months, how on earth are you measuring these claims..?
    - Philpax 2y ago
      Reading the news: - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/13/trump-cuts-university-research-admissions/82367626007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/13/trump-c... - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/11/columbia-university-trump-research-cut-400-million/82280419007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/11/columbi... - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/08/trump-universities-higher-education-cuts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/08/trump-univer...
- licebmi__at__ 2y ago
  Trump can pretty much reduce Sam Altman's talent pool, his voter base seems to have an appetite for that. Also let's not pretend like private sector R&D has not been built over public sector research since forever. Seems like Trump wants to make public science more "efficient". Results still to be seen, but the perspective is not encouraging given the common wisdom on how basic science grows.
- micromacrofoot 2y ago
decremental 2y ago
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dang 2y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43378123 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43378123.
guywhocodes 2y ago
Europe 2.0

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motorest 2y ago

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jiggawatts 2y ago
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- sshine 2y ago
  Just because people see it this way now doesn’t mean that is how it all ends. The perspective of historians implies that they look back and see that it was, indeed, the end. Which it isn’t.
  - zwirbl 2y ago
    Nope, it seems more like the point where the fall accelerates
    - sshine 2y ago
      There’s a chance the Trump administration can bring the US out of its massive debt hole caused by every single recent administration before it. So yeah, it’s definitely accelerating, but the outcome has not been decided. I’ll happily take more downvotes to point out that society hasn’t collapsed yet in spite of your feelings. :-)
- pessimizer 2y ago
  Even before he took office or did anything.
pessimizer 2y ago
How did Trump make US LLMs complacent in two months? I had no idea Deepseek was a Trump grift.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
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  - logicchains 2y ago
    Anti-intellectualism means not believing whatever the intellectuals tell you to believe, so they're entirely consistent in their opposition to it.
- greenchair 2y ago
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- thinkingtoilet 2y ago
  He didn't. And if you tried to read the OPs comment it's clear he's not saying that. And comments like this only prove his point.
- motorest 2y ago
  Here's the comment I replied to: > With anti-science sentiment in America, I think China will take over everything. Look at what the current Trump administration has been doing to research institutions in the US. Nature published an article outright calling it "siege of science". https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00525-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00525-1 At a point in time where the US should step on the gas to prevent China to catch up, it's actually stepping hard on the breaks. I don't think this is even up for discussion.
uhhhhhhh 2y ago
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Mountain_Skies 2y ago

What does Trump have to do with Sam Altman's management of OpenAI? If Harris was president, what race to the bottom do you imagine she would engage in so Sam Altman could undercut China?

Philpax 2y ago
That's not the argument they were making. What they're stating is that the Trump administration is directly facilitating the slow death of American intellectualism, and that this will have downstream consequences for what advances come out of the US in the future.
- simianparrot 2y ago
  It’s been 1.5 months, how on earth are you measuring these claims..?
  - Philpax 2y ago
    Reading the news: - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/13/trump-cuts-university-research-admissions/82367626007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/13/trump-c... - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/11/columbia-university-trump-research-cut-400-million/82280419007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/11/columbi... - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/08/trump-universities-higher-education-cuts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/08/trump-univer...
licebmi__at__ 2y ago
Trump can pretty much reduce Sam Altman's talent pool, his voter base seems to have an appetite for that. Also let's not pretend like private sector R&D has not been built over public sector research since forever. Seems like Trump wants to make public science more "efficient". Results still to be seen, but the perspective is not encouraging given the common wisdom on how basic science grows.
micromacrofoot 2y ago

decremental 2y ago

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dang 2y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43378123 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43378123.

guywhocodes 2y ago

Europe 2.0