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truly curious what sort of cost benefit analysis results in: I am comfortable with inviting a rapacious corporation into my private life.

immibis 2y ago
"I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to fear." Or "I don't know any better"
tdiff 2y ago
Im getting old and find all features provided by voice assistants very much unnecessary, but perhaps younger generations cannot live without it?
- sorokod 2y ago
  Those features did not exist say a decade ago, so cannot live without is likely to be a dramatisation of a minor inconvenience.
horsawlarway 2y ago
It's sort of a shame the industry is in the state it's in, because I personally know a couple of folks who have disabilities that make something like an Echo truly a godsend. There are a lot of things that get much, much easier from an accessibility standpoint if someone can operate a device by voice, instead of having to maneuver next to a switch, panel, or button. Getting next to the button can be much more difficult if it means getting into a wheelchair, fitting your prosthetic, or having to find help because it's positioned too high or in an area that's too narrow. Additionally, you can say a single phrase and turn off all lights in your dwelling, regardless of room. Minor win for able-bodied folks who might take only a minute or two to walk the house, big win for someone less capable. --- I'm technically capable enough to have removed Amazon/Google anyways with HomeAssistant in combination with WIS (https://github.com/toverainc/willow-inference-server https://github.com/toverainc/willow-inference-server) and Willow autocorrect (https://github.com/toverainc/willow-autocorrect https://github.com/toverainc/willow-autocorrect). Which gets me most of the things I cared about from an Echo without ever having anything leave my LAN. But it's a real PITA the setup. There is basically zero middleground in this industry between "Amazon/Google have a permanent microphone that listens to everything you do" and "You have to manually flash ESP32s and configure servers".
- walterbell 2y ago
  > zero middleground in this industry.. manually flash ESP32s and configure servers Market opportunity for local "home electronics contractor" network.
- sorokod 2y ago
  Makes sense. As often happens, it is the most vulnerable ones who are being taken advantage of.
- walterbell 2y ago
  Which mic/speaker do you use with WIS?
  - horsawlarway 2y ago
    https://www.adafruit.com/product/5290 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5290 (Original - I don't believe it's made anymore) and https://www.adafruit.com/product/5835 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5835 (Updated version of the above) --- Neither are particularly awesome as far as devices go, but they're cheap enough for what they are, and they're the targeted hardware for willow (https://heywillow.io/hardware/ https://heywillow.io/hardware/) You won't be playing music with them, and the audio pickup isn't as good as an Echo. But they work and my family/folks who enter my home don't get recorded automatically by Google/Amazon. It's very, very similar hardware to what Home Assistant is trying to use (ESP32 in a box with some mics).
- Rayhem 2y ago
  I had a parallel thought when a loved one was in the hospital. I noticed the nurses were so busy that small requests like an extra blanket were often forgotten entirely. How incredible would it be to have a voice system that would build a task list and capture other notable bits of information that the hospital staff could review on an integrated device (like a phone)? Sadly, I don't see this ever happening due to the insane number of regulations you'd have to satisfy and the major players in this space only doing it to collect PII.
  - 2y ago

immibis 2y ago

"I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to fear." Or "I don't know any better"

tdiff 2y ago

Im getting old and find all features provided by voice assistants very much unnecessary, but perhaps younger generations cannot live without it?

sorokod 2y ago
Those features did not exist say a decade ago, so cannot live without is likely to be a dramatisation of a minor inconvenience.

horsawlarway 2y ago

It's sort of a shame the industry is in the state it's in, because I personally know a couple of folks who have disabilities that make something like an Echo truly a godsend. There are a lot of things that get much, much easier from an accessibility standpoint if someone can operate a device by voice, instead of having to maneuver next to a switch, panel, or button. Getting next to the button can be much more difficult if it means getting into a wheelchair, fitting your prosthetic, or having to find help because it's positioned too high or in an area that's too narrow. Additionally, you can say a single phrase and turn off all lights in your dwelling, regardless of room. Minor win for able-bodied folks who might take only a minute or two to walk the house, big win for someone less capable. --- I'm technically capable enough to have removed Amazon/Google anyways with HomeAssistant in combination with WIS (https://github.com/toverainc/willow-inference-server https://github.com/toverainc/willow-inference-server) and Willow autocorrect (https://github.com/toverainc/willow-autocorrect https://github.com/toverainc/willow-autocorrect). Which gets me most of the things I cared about from an Echo without ever having anything leave my LAN. But it's a real PITA the setup. There is basically zero middleground in this industry between "Amazon/Google have a permanent microphone that listens to everything you do" and "You have to manually flash ESP32s and configure servers".

walterbell 2y ago
> zero middleground in this industry.. manually flash ESP32s and configure servers Market opportunity for local "home electronics contractor" network.
sorokod 2y ago
Makes sense. As often happens, it is the most vulnerable ones who are being taken advantage of.
walterbell 2y ago
Which mic/speaker do you use with WIS?
- horsawlarway 2y ago
  https://www.adafruit.com/product/5290 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5290 (Original - I don't believe it's made anymore) and https://www.adafruit.com/product/5835 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5835 (Updated version of the above) --- Neither are particularly awesome as far as devices go, but they're cheap enough for what they are, and they're the targeted hardware for willow (https://heywillow.io/hardware/ https://heywillow.io/hardware/) You won't be playing music with them, and the audio pickup isn't as good as an Echo. But they work and my family/folks who enter my home don't get recorded automatically by Google/Amazon. It's very, very similar hardware to what Home Assistant is trying to use (ESP32 in a box with some mics).
Rayhem 2y ago
I had a parallel thought when a loved one was in the hospital. I noticed the nurses were so busy that small requests like an extra blanket were often forgotten entirely. How incredible would it be to have a voice system that would build a task list and capture other notable bits of information that the hospital staff could review on an integrated device (like a phone)? Sadly, I don't see this ever happening due to the insane number of regulations you'd have to satisfy and the major players in this space only doing it to collect PII.
- 2y ago