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How is that different from American models though? Other than the polarity of propaganda, I mean.
by ein0p 2y ago
How is that different from American models though? Other than the polarity of propaganda, I mean.
- viccis 2y agoIt's not, but a lot of fish don't realize they're swimming in water.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> but a lot of fish don't realize they're swimming in water Where did this idea come from? Have we ever found a human who wasn't aware of the air?
- mcny 2y agoWe US Americans don't realize that we have a far right and a center right that we call right and left. Nobody is a radical leftist in the US.
- clauderoux 2y agoSo true... The Democrats would be a right wing political party in most European countries... The Republicans on the other hand are closer to extreme-right parties such as the Rassemblement National in France or the Aternative für Deutchland in Germany. By the way, the only leader that Vance met with was the leader of the AfD in Germany, which is pretty telling of their political orientation... In the UK, Elon Musk, for instance, is closer to Farage than to any other English leaders, which again shows an extreme-right trope from the current Republican administration.
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoWhat people in general don't realize is that "left" and "right" are nonsense words with no coherent relationship to modern politics. For example, are dictatorial totalitarians the right or the left? Notice that this category includes both Hitler and Stalin. More retirees vote for Republicans than Democrats and then Republicans tend to do things like expand Medicare (e.g. Medicare Part D). Does that mean Republicans are on the left? They also seem to have few qualms about interfering in the market when it suits them, e.g. to subsidize oil companies with tax dollars. Is belief in free markets the left wing position or the right wing position? If it's the right wing position, doesn't that mean subsidizing oil companies with tax dollars is a left-wing activity? You can define "left" as Democrats and "right" as Republicans, but then the US tautologically has both a left party and a right party. Or you can try to define "left" and "right" in some independent way, in which case the US doesn't have a left party or a right party because it basically has two kleptocrat parties each representing a different set of bandits.
- jibal 2y agoWhat people do realize is that most of this is wrong.
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoSaying "most of this is wrong" is not an argument. How is it wrong? Which parts do you dispute?
- jibal 2y agoOh, and then he quote mines me ... I didn't state that most of this is wrong, I stated that people realize that most of it is wrong. I have no obligation to specify exactly which parts of a series of baseless, illogical, and counterfactual assertions--plainly patent nonsense--I find to be wrong. "left" and "right" are not nonsense words; take a few political science courses, and perhaps some linguistics as well. The existence of an Overton Window does not make the terms "nonsense". And the terms originally come from the wings of the French National Assembly which was a real world division with specific meaning that still applies in a broadened sense.
- viccis 2y agoIt's incredible to me that you would parse that as a metaphor about breathing.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoWho said anything about breathing? Where's the culture that doesn't know about wind?
- viccis 2y agoYou still don't seem to understand the meaning of the metaphor. The analogous thing for people wouldn't be "wind"
- thaumasiotes 2y agoRight, the analogous thing for people is "air". That's the first thing I mentioned. Breathing is not necessary in order to take notice of the air. It is sufficient, though.
- viccis 2y agoNo, the analogous thing in this case, if you understood the metaphor, would be "propaganda".