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I'm in Europe. With the current US administration, I could say the exact same thing about American companies. The US government is clearly willing to use every

I'm in Europe. With the current US administration, I could say the exact same thing about American companies. The US government is clearly willing to use every single commercial enterprise located in the US as leverage. At this point China seems like the less harmful of the two choices.

XorNot 2y ago
The enemy of your enemy is just your enemy's enemy. Why does everyone insist on picking a side rather then having any pride in their own nations? Europe is large, educated and capable of it's developments. No one needs to pick anything.
- necovek 2y ago
  Why would anyone see these countries as being one another's enemy, though? They are battling to be the leading superpower in the world, but they are not enemies: annual trade volume between them certainly attests to that. In that sense, you can also look to extract value from either side. In the US, I'd definitely turn to China's depictions of US events to understand how it looks from another superpower's angle: you can still take that critically and not at face value, but it might be refreshing in that it's not polarised in the same way (Republicans vs Democrats).
- delusional 2y ago
  > The enemy of your enemy is just your enemy's enemy. That's a little much. I'm not at war here. Where traditionally the US has been viewed as a mentor, or maybe a benevolent parent, by and of the European union nations, It has now switched into that of an abusive boss. I'm not at war with my boss. He is not my enemy. I do however have to continually adjust my stance towards him, always taking into account that he would sell me in a heartbeat if there was a benefit to him. That the company is not my friend. That stops me from sometimes doing the most mutually beneficial thing, because I have to protect myself by taking a defensive stance. I'm very hopeful for Europe, and thankful that my system roughly works. It's not like I loved the US policy before Trump, but now flipped. What is happening in the US was always what I thought was most likely, corporatism run amok. That doesn't make the US "an enemy" but rather an unreliable friend.
necovek 2y ago
The way I look at it, I would probably use China-produced models for EU or US matters, and a West-produced models for China matters. Certainly, one would also combine the two and have a fully open source model (including the training data) with no censoring summarise the two outputs.
arielcostas 2y ago
I wouldn't trust the US as far as I can throw them. Even before the current administration.

XorNot 2y ago

The enemy of your enemy is just your enemy's enemy. Why does everyone insist on picking a side rather then having any pride in their own nations? Europe is large, educated and capable of it's developments. No one needs to pick anything.

necovek 2y ago
Why would anyone see these countries as being one another's enemy, though? They are battling to be the leading superpower in the world, but they are not enemies: annual trade volume between them certainly attests to that. In that sense, you can also look to extract value from either side. In the US, I'd definitely turn to China's depictions of US events to understand how it looks from another superpower's angle: you can still take that critically and not at face value, but it might be refreshing in that it's not polarised in the same way (Republicans vs Democrats).
delusional 2y ago
> The enemy of your enemy is just your enemy's enemy. That's a little much. I'm not at war here. Where traditionally the US has been viewed as a mentor, or maybe a benevolent parent, by and of the European union nations, It has now switched into that of an abusive boss. I'm not at war with my boss. He is not my enemy. I do however have to continually adjust my stance towards him, always taking into account that he would sell me in a heartbeat if there was a benefit to him. That the company is not my friend. That stops me from sometimes doing the most mutually beneficial thing, because I have to protect myself by taking a defensive stance. I'm very hopeful for Europe, and thankful that my system roughly works. It's not like I loved the US policy before Trump, but now flipped. What is happening in the US was always what I thought was most likely, corporatism run amok. That doesn't make the US "an enemy" but rather an unreliable friend.

necovek 2y ago

The way I look at it, I would probably use China-produced models for EU or US matters, and a West-produced models for China matters. Certainly, one would also combine the two and have a fully open source model (including the training data) with no censoring summarise the two outputs.

arielcostas 2y ago

I wouldn't trust the US as far as I can throw them. Even before the current administration.