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Strings Attached: Talking about Russia's agenda for laws in cyberspace

10 points by aa_is_op 2y ago

mjburgess 2y ago
Its very hard to take this article seriously with its profound ignorance of western violations of innumerable treaties, agreements and the like. And opportunistic ("strategic") misuse of the same for foreign policy ends. I could easily imagine Russia being quite open to come to an agreement to end hybrid warfare (at least, aimed at destablising politics) with the US given how much backfire there was at their leaking of DNC emails -- an action taken as retribution for the western interference in Russia's 2011 election of Putin. USAID via its foreign policy front NGOs leaked evidence of election tampering to anti-regime groups in Russia causing riots that led to Putin ending his liberalisation efforts of that period. (Incidentally, Putin thought H. Clinton was involved -- but there's been no direct evidence of that -- partly why the leaks targeted her, and partly her expressed [, effective] desire to assassinate leaders of non-democratic countries hostile to US interests). And given what impact the DNC leaks had, I could imagine the US being open ("at the democratic level" of politicians) to such an agreement. But its hard to imagine the foreign policy establishment ever agreeing to such a thing. It is de facto the foreign policy of the US to use any efforts at democratic liberalisation to change regimes hostile to US interests -- which, incidentally, makes it suicidal for any autocratic regime to do this. It wont be Russia that serves as an impediment to "arms down" on hybrid warefare, but the foreign policy elite of the USA. (Link to grok on the USAID issue: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7a683bcd-ef6e-41e5-890f-d6cbaa12fb34 https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7a683bcd-ef6e-41e5-890f-d6cb... -- I find grok the best model at the moment for integrating current-events/recent-history based queries).
- lostmsu 2y ago
  This idea is a clear violation of the first amendment, so, fortunately, will never fly. Any assumption that US will even look at it seriously is delusional. Poor liars in Russian government will have to continue to rely on the slave mentality to keep their circus running, because it is impossible to plug holes in the ocean of information.
sorokine 2y ago
What the hell is bytesandborscht.com ?
- LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
  > Reflections on security and other things.

10 points by aa_is_op 2y ago

Its very hard to take this article seriously with its profound ignorance of western violations of innumerable treaties, agreements and the like. And opportunistic ("strategic") misuse of the same for foreign policy ends. I could easily imagine Russia being quite open to come to an agreement to end hybrid warfare (at least, aimed at destablising politics) with the US given how much backfire there was at their leaking of DNC emails -- an action taken as retribution for the western interference in Russia's 2011 election of Putin. USAID via its foreign policy front NGOs leaked evidence of election tampering to anti-regime groups in Russia causing riots that led to Putin ending his liberalisation efforts of that period. (Incidentally, Putin thought H. Clinton was involved -- but there's been no direct evidence of that -- partly why the leaks targeted her, and partly her expressed [, effective] desire to assassinate leaders of non-democratic countries hostile to US interests). And given what impact the DNC leaks had, I could imagine the US being open ("at the democratic level" of politicians) to such an agreement. But its hard to imagine the foreign policy establishment ever agreeing to such a thing. It is de facto the foreign policy of the US to use any efforts at democratic liberalisation to change regimes hostile to US interests -- which, incidentally, makes it suicidal for any autocratic regime to do this. It wont be Russia that serves as an impediment to "arms down" on hybrid warefare, but the foreign policy elite of the USA. (Link to grok on the USAID issue: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7a683bcd-ef6e-41e5-890f-d6cbaa12fb34 https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7a683bcd-ef6e-41e5-890f-d6cb... -- I find grok the best model at the moment for integrating current-events/recent-history based queries).

lostmsu 2y ago
This idea is a clear violation of the first amendment, so, fortunately, will never fly. Any assumption that US will even look at it seriously is delusional. Poor liars in Russian government will have to continue to rely on the slave mentality to keep their circus running, because it is impossible to plug holes in the ocean of information.

sorokine 2y ago

What the hell is bytesandborscht.com ?

LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
> Reflections on security and other things.