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This study reminds me of the Automatic Language Growth method. I can't remember all the specific but it was created by some guy long ago in like the 70s or 60s

This study reminds me of the Automatic Language Growth method. I can't remember all the specific but it was created by some guy long ago in like the 70s or 60s and tested it in Thailand. Basically, it was an approach that had the students listen to guides talk for like about a year before they before ever speaking. According to what I heard, people who went through it, would be able to speak fluently, as though it was their first language, no accent or anything. Sadly, there are not a lot of comprehensible input based learning courses out there as most focus on speaking early.

AlchemistCamp 2y ago
There are a number of programs that use a purely audio-lingual approach with translation, like Pimsleur or the <language>pod101 series. In both cases, when I tried them as a short term tourist, people were surprised how well they could understand me for the short time I’d been learning. These were tonal languages very few tourists tended to learn, so local expectations were low and just being comprehensible was a win.
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
  Pimsleur is very effective when just starting out a new language. In general, I find that the most important thing to learn first with a new language is the pronunciation. Compared to learning thousands of words, it's not that difficult to learn to correctly produce the sounds of a foreign language. If you are able to pronounce things properly, native speakers will think much more highly of your abilities in the language (which can backfire when they assume you're fluent).
- bobajeff 2y ago
  Yeah I've actually done one of Pimsleur's courses for Mandarin. But that's not the same thing as it's just like most courses in that they have you speak early rather than focus on listening.
- dpig_ 2y ago
  I had been learning my target language mostly from books (and then watching/listening to media for osmosis) for years before I discovered Pimsleur. I can confidently say that Pimsleur increased my skills by orders of magnitude. Being forced to 1) speak out loud, 2) create sentences under time pressure and 3) absorb language rules implicitly rather than explicitly was a major game changer. My only disappointment is that Pimsleur only created 2 levels for my target language, so after I had repeated them a number of times I had to look elsewhere for other (less effective) materials. Recently, I've been using the ChatGPT Voice Assistant to try and approximate the Pimsleur experience - it works to some degree, and it's novel that I can ask it questions during learning, but it can't really offer a curriculum in the same way.

AlchemistCamp 2y ago

There are a number of programs that use a purely audio-lingual approach with translation, like Pimsleur or the <language>pod101 series. In both cases, when I tried them as a short term tourist, people were surprised how well they could understand me for the short time I’d been learning. These were tonal languages very few tourists tended to learn, so local expectations were low and just being comprehensible was a win.

DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
Pimsleur is very effective when just starting out a new language. In general, I find that the most important thing to learn first with a new language is the pronunciation. Compared to learning thousands of words, it's not that difficult to learn to correctly produce the sounds of a foreign language. If you are able to pronounce things properly, native speakers will think much more highly of your abilities in the language (which can backfire when they assume you're fluent).
bobajeff 2y ago
Yeah I've actually done one of Pimsleur's courses for Mandarin. But that's not the same thing as it's just like most courses in that they have you speak early rather than focus on listening.
dpig_ 2y ago
I had been learning my target language mostly from books (and then watching/listening to media for osmosis) for years before I discovered Pimsleur. I can confidently say that Pimsleur increased my skills by orders of magnitude. Being forced to 1) speak out loud, 2) create sentences under time pressure and 3) absorb language rules implicitly rather than explicitly was a major game changer. My only disappointment is that Pimsleur only created 2 levels for my target language, so after I had repeated them a number of times I had to look elsewhere for other (less effective) materials. Recently, I've been using the ChatGPT Voice Assistant to try and approximate the Pimsleur experience - it works to some degree, and it's novel that I can ask it questions during learning, but it can't really offer a curriculum in the same way.