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Plunder/Raping raids don't necessarilyead to trading and meaningful conversations do they?
by readthenotes1 2y ago
Plunder/Raping raids don't necessarilyead to trading and meaningful conversations do they?
- dyauspitr 2y agoSure they would. You would have to communicate intention. There would be assimilation where they would take their women and spend time with them etc.
- OgsyedIE 2y agoWouldn't captives carry memes?
- do_not_redeem 2y agoOnly if you and your captives are able to communicate. If you have a fish tank, do your fish give you memes?
- Y_Y 2y agoSadly, no matter how many memes I give them they never give any back. Jerks.
- roywiggins 2y agoPeople can learn from just seeing stuff. You watch a guy preparing food in a different way, now you know that there's a different way. He wears a funny hat, maybe you try and make a copy, etc. Chimps and some other animals do this too.
- mmooss 2y agoWhy wouldn't they learn to communicate, like all other humans do?
- mcswell 2y agoFor the same reason that chimps don't (contrary to some earlier work) learn language.
- roywiggins 2y agoChimps have memes without language! Communication is a lot broader than just language.
- mmooss 2y agoWe are talking about Homo genus; I expect they had language (do we know?). The issue was communicating with others who speak a different language, and my point is that people manage it all the time.
- krapp 2y agoAsk the Vikings.
- BurningFrog 2y agoYou have be able to communicate with your slaves.
- jl6 2y agoIt’s highly unlikely that a small nomadic hunter-gatherer band would have had the food surplus and hierarchical organization needed to control and keep slaves. It’s as likely that ancient humans outcompeted Neanderthals for resources as killed them off directly.
- kleton 2y agoThe Uralic word for slave is very archaic and dates to well before they became sedentary. The Uralic tribes came into contact with the Aryas people on the steppes, and won battles with them enough to take captives as slaves, calling them orjat.
- numbsafari 2y agoThis is not true, as evidenced by the slave taking exhibited by nomadic peoples in North America. It was a pretty routine practice, well documented in history. Losers in battles would often be assimilated by the winner as slaves.
- jl6 2y agoI think you are talking about a far more modern period, in a much more complex, socially stratified society. The Neanderthal period was 50k-100k years ago.
- BurningFrog 2y agoAFAIK, we know pretty much nothing about human or neanderthal societies 50k-100k years ago.
- notfromhere 2y agoSurplus? The captives are there for labor and exploitation. They’re not house pets
- mmooss 2y ago> Plunder/Raping raids What are you referring to? Is there evidence of that being most of the way they interacted?
- cutemonster 2y agoThere are indicators, for example, the neanderthals and all other human like great apes have mysteriously disappeared except for us. (Or gotten assimilated, I mean, we have a tiny bit neanderthal DNA) Check out killer ape theory. Also look at how violent humans are to their own species.
- satellite2 2y agoAlso Lawrence Keeley, War Before Civilization
- pfannkuchen 2y ago> Also look at how violent humans are to their own species. Species is a construct though, our genes have no idea about species. Also I think that organisms feel most threatened by same-niche competitors, and least threatened by non-competitors. Similar but just different enough is like the worst case in terms of same-niche competition. Like how geese and ducks will act really adversarial towards each other, and then a beaver can just wander through and no one cares.
- scotty79 2y ago> Species is a construct though, our genes have no idea about species. You could also say that atoms are a construct, also molecules and nuclei. Nature has no concept of any of those. But the clumping is repeatable enough at everyday energies so that it's useful to think about it in those terms.
- mmooss 2y ago> You could also say that atoms are a construct, also molecules and nuclei. You could say it, but they are real things that interact with the environment. DNA is a real thing that interacts with the environment. Species, the periodic table, etc. are constructs. They are useful because they help us understand the world.