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People have the power to not use iPhones, and should exercise it.

by Zambyte 2y ago

doublerabbit 2y ago
Okay, buy me an Android then.
- ParetoOptimal 2y ago
  If you bought an iPhone you could buy an Android.
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    But I don't want an Android. So if you desire for me to use Android, buy me an Android.
    - pessimizer 2y ago
      Advice is not desire. I advise you to keep batteries in your fire alarm, but I don't personally care enough to buy you any.
      - doublerabbit 2y ago
        Didn't really sound like advice. And thats we are different. I would.
ctm92 2y ago
Switching ecosystems is a huge pain, I started with iPhone and eventually moved to Android and back again to iPhone. When you use a lot of the Apple/Google Services, it's not really easy to just switch over
- immibis 2y ago
  It's only Apple that does this lock-in thing, IME. Google also has services, but they're not as important or inseparable.
- meristohm 2y ago
  I guess it's easy if a person cares enough about it? I'm the relative PITA in my family because I prefer to put everything on a paper calendar and mostly use my phone for Signal, iMessage, occasional email, some photos, and internet, including toe-dips into this forum as my social media engagement. I'm in my 40s, grew up with a Commodore64, and am disenchanted with computers now (while still using them for a few things- life's messy, and that's okay). Surveillance capitalism is more of a threat to much of what I care about (includes partcipatory democracy and mutual aid), and it makes sense to both push back and find a better path. Humans have done okay for a hundred thousand years+ without computers, with some dark ages here and there when people get greedy.
browningstreet 2y ago
I don’t trust Android.
- guillermin 2y ago
  What do you not trust of AOSP? How can you trust a proprietary closed-source OS more than an open-source one?
  - browningstreet 2y ago
    I don’t blindly trust Apple either, but I believe enough of what they say and consider the gaps when they don’t say something. They fight things like the UK E2E encryption requests… but also, having owned both Android and Apple devices, and managing my own iOS devices and the Android devices my parents own, I definitely feel like the iOS devices are more secure and less prone to bad actors via App Store. I think safari is more anonymizing than chrome. The (US) government already has too much access to us, and I think Android is more open to them than iOS. The government has cameras in public and access to our banking data, I’m not gonna protect myself from them by choosing one platform more than the other, or one bank more than the other. What I don’t want, though, is to be annoyed to death or scammed. My choice is more front loaded by that consideration. If I find out that Apple accedes to backdoors though, I’d have to live without both Android and iOS.
    - genewitch 2y ago
      Accedes is a good word, I don't think I've ever seen it before.
      - genewitch 2y ago
        the root of accede makes "Accessible", too; that which enables one "to enter".
  - immibis 2y ago
    Android isn't AOSP, and Android isn't open source. It's safe to assume that every large tech company is spying on everything you do - including Apple. (Remember they're legally required to do so in the UK, and probably in more countries but it only leaked in the UK) Android is more trustworthy not because of that but because it lets you install apps that haven't been approved by corporate overlords first.
the_clarence 2y ago
Honestly with Apple not producing folding phones I think in a few generations everybody will have naturally moved to Android
- Kirby64 2y ago
  This is such a weird take. Folding phones are a tiny market and they all have considerable durability downsides. Also, if the market did shift Apple could easily build one. I’m sure they’ve prototyped a few already.
  - the_clarence 2y ago
    People said the same thing about bigger screens years ago
    - Kirby64 2y ago
      No larger screen has ever had issues with permanent damage from regular use. They just aren’t a good fit for most people in their current durability state. Anyone who totally baby’s their phone can use them, but that’s about it. Also, they’re pretty much all in an extreme price bracket. You could buy a small tablet and a regular flagship phone for the price of one of the galaxy folds.
      - the_clarence 2y ago
        I have one and constantly drop it and its still in perfect condition. Not sure what you mean
        Kirby64 2y ago
        > Not sure what you mean Surely you jest? There’s oodles of reporting on how delicate the flexible screen is. Fingernails can forever leave scratches on it. There’s plenty of reports of people having their screen randomly break despite no noticeable physical damage. Dust/dirt can get in the hinge and cause damage as well, despite advancements in the hinge design. It’s better now of course, but the physical limitations are still there.

People have the power to not use iPhones, and should exercise it.

doublerabbit 2y ago

Okay, buy me an Android then.

ParetoOptimal 2y ago
If you bought an iPhone you could buy an Android.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  But I don't want an Android. So if you desire for me to use Android, buy me an Android.
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    Advice is not desire. I advise you to keep batteries in your fire alarm, but I don't personally care enough to buy you any.
    - doublerabbit 2y ago
      Didn't really sound like advice. And thats we are different. I would.

ctm92 2y ago

Switching ecosystems is a huge pain, I started with iPhone and eventually moved to Android and back again to iPhone. When you use a lot of the Apple/Google Services, it's not really easy to just switch over

immibis 2y ago
It's only Apple that does this lock-in thing, IME. Google also has services, but they're not as important or inseparable.
meristohm 2y ago
I guess it's easy if a person cares enough about it? I'm the relative PITA in my family because I prefer to put everything on a paper calendar and mostly use my phone for Signal, iMessage, occasional email, some photos, and internet, including toe-dips into this forum as my social media engagement. I'm in my 40s, grew up with a Commodore64, and am disenchanted with computers now (while still using them for a few things- life's messy, and that's okay). Surveillance capitalism is more of a threat to much of what I care about (includes partcipatory democracy and mutual aid), and it makes sense to both push back and find a better path. Humans have done okay for a hundred thousand years+ without computers, with some dark ages here and there when people get greedy.

browningstreet 2y ago

I don’t trust Android.

guillermin 2y ago
What do you not trust of AOSP? How can you trust a proprietary closed-source OS more than an open-source one?
- browningstreet 2y ago
  I don’t blindly trust Apple either, but I believe enough of what they say and consider the gaps when they don’t say something. They fight things like the UK E2E encryption requests… but also, having owned both Android and Apple devices, and managing my own iOS devices and the Android devices my parents own, I definitely feel like the iOS devices are more secure and less prone to bad actors via App Store. I think safari is more anonymizing than chrome. The (US) government already has too much access to us, and I think Android is more open to them than iOS. The government has cameras in public and access to our banking data, I’m not gonna protect myself from them by choosing one platform more than the other, or one bank more than the other. What I don’t want, though, is to be annoyed to death or scammed. My choice is more front loaded by that consideration. If I find out that Apple accedes to backdoors though, I’d have to live without both Android and iOS.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    Accedes is a good word, I don't think I've ever seen it before.
    - genewitch 2y ago
      the root of accede makes "Accessible", too; that which enables one "to enter".
- immibis 2y ago
  Android isn't AOSP, and Android isn't open source. It's safe to assume that every large tech company is spying on everything you do - including Apple. (Remember they're legally required to do so in the UK, and probably in more countries but it only leaked in the UK) Android is more trustworthy not because of that but because it lets you install apps that haven't been approved by corporate overlords first.

the_clarence 2y ago

Honestly with Apple not producing folding phones I think in a few generations everybody will have naturally moved to Android

Kirby64 2y ago
This is such a weird take. Folding phones are a tiny market and they all have considerable durability downsides. Also, if the market did shift Apple could easily build one. I’m sure they’ve prototyped a few already.
- the_clarence 2y ago
  People said the same thing about bigger screens years ago
  - Kirby64 2y ago
    No larger screen has ever had issues with permanent damage from regular use. They just aren’t a good fit for most people in their current durability state. Anyone who totally baby’s their phone can use them, but that’s about it. Also, they’re pretty much all in an extreme price bracket. You could buy a small tablet and a regular flagship phone for the price of one of the galaxy folds.
    - the_clarence 2y ago
      I have one and constantly drop it and its still in perfect condition. Not sure what you mean
      - Kirby64 2y ago
        > Not sure what you mean Surely you jest? There’s oodles of reporting on how delicate the flexible screen is. Fingernails can forever leave scratches on it. There’s plenty of reports of people having their screen randomly break despite no noticeable physical damage. Dust/dirt can get in the hinge and cause damage as well, despite advancements in the hinge design. It’s better now of course, but the physical limitations are still there.