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They’re not declaring it out loud, sure. But in private they are. I’m from Mississippi. I was privy to those private conversations. Blacks, Mexicans, LGBT peopl

They’re not declaring it out loud, sure. But in private they are. I’m from Mississippi. I was privy to those private conversations. Blacks, Mexicans, LGBT people, atheists, feminists.. they would rather all these groups be dead, than have civil rights. So long as the group allows themselves to be oppressed, fine, but they aren’t, and that’s what has started to cause so much anger from the right wing. The telling thing about the stories below isn’t that individuals are violent, that has always been and always will be the case, but rather the reaction of the state. Gay panic defenses, pardon of Jan 6 rioters, calls for abortion to get the death penalty that are getting traction, etc. Trump is an idiot, yes. But he’s a useful idiot. Vance isn’t a moron, nor are the Project 2025 think tanks. I think the fact that people are willing to dismiss all this as things not actually getting worse, is what allows it to get this bad in the first place. Again, I’m not saying it’s as bad as 1941 yet. But the optimism that it simply can’t happen in 2025 in America is entirely misguided. > With regard to general populations, the overall consensus amongst historians appears to be that many were aware of a hatred towards the Jewry, but not insofar that a significant comprehension of the Nazis' genocidal policies was reached. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i... The same is happening in America today. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/17/us/lynchings-racism-new-era-blake/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/17/us/lynchings-racism-new-e... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBTQ_people_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_... https://msmagazine.com/2024/07/02/anti-abortion-pro-life-camp-washington-dc-violent/ https://msmagazine.com/2024/07/02/anti-abortion-pro-life-cam... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rise-abortion-abolitionists-targeting-women-doctors-donald-trump-rcna147187 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rise-abortion-abolition...

breppp 2y ago
> With regard to general populations, the overall consensus amongst historians appears to be that many were aware of a hatred towards the Jewry, but not insofar that a significant comprehension of the Nazis' genocidal policies was reached. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i... Wikipedia is often hardly a good source for anything even slightly more controversial than the plot for a Pokémon episode However the paragraph you are quoting regards the knowledge of the general population in german occupied europe, not in Germany By 1939 more than half of the Jewish population had fled Germany, so they might have been on to something I really think you are severely underestimating what life in Nazi Germany looked like, and overestimating the current brand of populist republican politics, which has exact replicas in the democratic party as well
- watwut 2y ago
  > By 1939 more than half of the Jewish population had fled Germany, so they might have been on to something That was not because of holocaust, that was because of general restrictions of their legal rights. And also, Germany had policy of trying to make those people leave. Jews in Germany were largely immigrants living mainly in cities. Frequently refugees from Eastern Europe and their descendants. > overestimating the current brand of populist republican politics, which has exact replicas in the democratic party as well You started this thread with claim that Europe has far right problem now. Republican and consequently America politics is massively closer to it that European one ... or democrats.
  - breppp 2y ago
    You are correct about the original thread, I claimed Europe has a far-right problem. Keep in mind, Europe has far-right parties that are commonly actually descendants of the nazi/fascist parties of the thirties, not a descendant of the party that abolished slavery However, I was giving it as an example of problems in Europe that might cause worries when choosing a country to live in, especially someone who is worried where Trump is taking the US. This worry translated to the US applies in my opinion to both extremities of the political system (Trump admin included) However, I don't think what we see from Trump right now or in the future is in any shape or form close to the thirties, and I also want to believe that the far-right european parties will also be preoccupied with other (stupid) ideological goals

breppp 2y ago

> With regard to general populations, the overall consensus amongst historians appears to be that many were aware of a hatred towards the Jewry, but not insofar that a significant comprehension of the Nazis' genocidal policies was reached. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i... Wikipedia is often hardly a good source for anything even slightly more controversial than the plot for a Pokémon episode However the paragraph you are quoting regards the knowledge of the general population in german occupied europe, not in Germany By 1939 more than half of the Jewish population had fled Germany, so they might have been on to something I really think you are severely underestimating what life in Nazi Germany looked like, and overestimating the current brand of populist republican politics, which has exact replicas in the democratic party as well

watwut 2y ago
> By 1939 more than half of the Jewish population had fled Germany, so they might have been on to something That was not because of holocaust, that was because of general restrictions of their legal rights. And also, Germany had policy of trying to make those people leave. Jews in Germany were largely immigrants living mainly in cities. Frequently refugees from Eastern Europe and their descendants. > overestimating the current brand of populist republican politics, which has exact replicas in the democratic party as well You started this thread with claim that Europe has far right problem now. Republican and consequently America politics is massively closer to it that European one ... or democrats.
- breppp 2y ago
  You are correct about the original thread, I claimed Europe has a far-right problem. Keep in mind, Europe has far-right parties that are commonly actually descendants of the nazi/fascist parties of the thirties, not a descendant of the party that abolished slavery However, I was giving it as an example of problems in Europe that might cause worries when choosing a country to live in, especially someone who is worried where Trump is taking the US. This worry translated to the US applies in my opinion to both extremities of the political system (Trump admin included) However, I don't think what we see from Trump right now or in the future is in any shape or form close to the thirties, and I also want to believe that the far-right european parties will also be preoccupied with other (stupid) ideological goals