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While you’re certainly right that the US isn’t like Germany in 1941, I don’t think there’s any reason to believe it can’t very quickly get to that point. Just a

While you’re certainly right that the US isn’t like Germany in 1941, I don’t think there’s any reason to believe it can’t very quickly get to that point. Just ask the asylum seekers and other immigrants and tourists[1][2] (illegal or otherwise) that have been separated from their children[3], detained in extrajudicial facilities[4], kept in solitary confinement[1], or legal immigrants stripped of their permanent residency and deported for exercising their first amendment rights[5]. This is very equivalent to how it started in Germany as early as 1933[6]. I see no reason the US can’t VERY quickly slide down this path with immigrants (of any sort), trans people, and then after that, much more. Especially when so much has been done to destroy any oversight that the checks and balances of the government would have provided, i.e. two failed impeachments, (and congress now being filled with Trump bootlickers, unlikely to impeach again), entirely too broad presidential immunity rulings[7], and completely unpunished coup attempts[8]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-touri... [2] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/british-tourist-detained-ice_n_67d07d8fe4b02a1e69bd8f19 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/british-tourist-detained-ice_... [3] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556 [4] https://apnews.com/article/us-immigration-detention-guantanamo-bay-d4fe8f0d051e0cd7e3f04ce02c8e7564 https://apnews.com/article/us-immigration-detention-guantana... [5] https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/us/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-ice-green-card-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/us/mahmoud-khalil-columbi... [6] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Germany [7] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States_(2024) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States_(2024... [8] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack_defendants https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_S...

breppp 2y ago
I understand the feeling of alarmism as US politics right now look like a zero sum game with no possibility of compromise from either side But as a descendent of Nazi slaves whose entire families were murdered, I fail to see the similarities between a movement that had established concentration camps and declared its intention of genocide from day one, and the present day rule of idiots that is the United States I think the fact that comparisons are thrown too easily to the point of cliche only make up for this sense of historical determinism that often makes things worse
- LadyCailin 2y ago
  They’re not declaring it out loud, sure. But in private they are. I’m from Mississippi. I was privy to those private conversations. Blacks, Mexicans, LGBT people, atheists, feminists.. they would rather all these groups be dead, than have civil rights. So long as the group allows themselves to be oppressed, fine, but they aren’t, and that’s what has started to cause so much anger from the right wing. The telling thing about the stories below isn’t that individuals are violent, that has always been and always will be the case, but rather the reaction of the state. Gay panic defenses, pardon of Jan 6 rioters, calls for abortion to get the death penalty that are getting traction, etc. Trump is an idiot, yes. But he’s a useful idiot. Vance isn’t a moron, nor are the Project 2025 think tanks. I think the fact that people are willing to dismiss all this as things not actually getting worse, is what allows it to get this bad in the first place. Again, I’m not saying it’s as bad as 1941 yet. But the optimism that it simply can’t happen in 2025 in America is entirely misguided. > With regard to general populations, the overall consensus amongst historians appears to be that many were aware of a hatred towards the Jewry, but not insofar that a significant comprehension of the Nazis' genocidal policies was reached. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i... The same is happening in America today. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/17/us/lynchings-racism-new-era-blake/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/17/us/lynchings-racism-new-e... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBTQ_people_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_... https://msmagazine.com/2024/07/02/anti-abortion-pro-life-camp-washington-dc-violent/ https://msmagazine.com/2024/07/02/anti-abortion-pro-life-cam... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rise-abortion-abolitionists-targeting-women-doctors-donald-trump-rcna147187 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rise-abortion-abolition...
  - breppp 2y ago
    > With regard to general populations, the overall consensus amongst historians appears to be that many were aware of a hatred towards the Jewry, but not insofar that a significant comprehension of the Nazis' genocidal policies was reached. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i... Wikipedia is often hardly a good source for anything even slightly more controversial than the plot for a Pokémon episode However the paragraph you are quoting regards the knowledge of the general population in german occupied europe, not in Germany By 1939 more than half of the Jewish population had fled Germany, so they might have been on to something I really think you are severely underestimating what life in Nazi Germany looked like, and overestimating the current brand of populist republican politics, which has exact replicas in the democratic party as well

breppp 2y ago

I understand the feeling of alarmism as US politics right now look like a zero sum game with no possibility of compromise from either side But as a descendent of Nazi slaves whose entire families were murdered, I fail to see the similarities between a movement that had established concentration camps and declared its intention of genocide from day one, and the present day rule of idiots that is the United States I think the fact that comparisons are thrown too easily to the point of cliche only make up for this sense of historical determinism that often makes things worse

LadyCailin 2y ago
They’re not declaring it out loud, sure. But in private they are. I’m from Mississippi. I was privy to those private conversations. Blacks, Mexicans, LGBT people, atheists, feminists.. they would rather all these groups be dead, than have civil rights. So long as the group allows themselves to be oppressed, fine, but they aren’t, and that’s what has started to cause so much anger from the right wing. The telling thing about the stories below isn’t that individuals are violent, that has always been and always will be the case, but rather the reaction of the state. Gay panic defenses, pardon of Jan 6 rioters, calls for abortion to get the death penalty that are getting traction, etc. Trump is an idiot, yes. But he’s a useful idiot. Vance isn’t a moron, nor are the Project 2025 think tanks. I think the fact that people are willing to dismiss all this as things not actually getting worse, is what allows it to get this bad in the first place. Again, I’m not saying it’s as bad as 1941 yet. But the optimism that it simply can’t happen in 2025 in America is entirely misguided. > With regard to general populations, the overall consensus amongst historians appears to be that many were aware of a hatred towards the Jewry, but not insofar that a significant comprehension of the Nazis' genocidal policies was reached. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i... The same is happening in America today. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/17/us/lynchings-racism-new-era-blake/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/17/us/lynchings-racism-new-e... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBTQ_people_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_... https://msmagazine.com/2024/07/02/anti-abortion-pro-life-camp-washington-dc-violent/ https://msmagazine.com/2024/07/02/anti-abortion-pro-life-cam... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rise-abortion-abolitionists-targeting-women-doctors-donald-trump-rcna147187 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rise-abortion-abolition...
- breppp 2y ago
  > With regard to general populations, the overall consensus amongst historians appears to be that many were aware of a hatred towards the Jewry, but not insofar that a significant comprehension of the Nazis' genocidal policies was reached. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_i... Wikipedia is often hardly a good source for anything even slightly more controversial than the plot for a Pokémon episode However the paragraph you are quoting regards the knowledge of the general population in german occupied europe, not in Germany By 1939 more than half of the Jewish population had fled Germany, so they might have been on to something I really think you are severely underestimating what life in Nazi Germany looked like, and overestimating the current brand of populist republican politics, which has exact replicas in the democratic party as well