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> They made a browser to invest in the web itself But that investment isn’t neutral. It’s oriented towards making the Web a better place for Google to make mon

> They made a browser to invest in the web itself But that investment isn’t neutral. It’s oriented towards making the Web a better place for Google to make money—not a better place for users to avoid being tracked by Google. Chrome’s dominant position means Google can kill any new web feature that would help users, but hurt Google’s bottom line.

jauntywundrkind 2y ago
There's such a strong strain of dark side energy aimed at Google. It just feels so unhinged to me though. Blink-dev is an amazing mailing list of really good improvements being built intelligently, in well declared fashion, with lots of checks via standards bodies, fully open to discussion. There's very few places on the planet where such good work is so easy to see, and no where that it's so abundant. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev What features has Google killed, do you think? How often has this been a problem, do you think? What other browsers have gone ahead, with Google holding out? Google wants a competent capable successful healthy web. They want there to be an open, standards & protocols system out there, a connected rich hypermedia internet, because everything else humanity has done with computing is proprietary and trying to rely on someone else's platform is existentially hazardous.
- 000ooo000 2y ago
  >What features has Google killed, do you think? How often has this been a problem, do you think? Unless you've been living under a rock, it's hard to miss manifest v2 vs v3.
  - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
    Agreed, that stings. Its extremely visible & painful. I want to believe there was some intent, to make extensions that weren't such an extreme hazard, so that the Google Web Store could be better. But it's obviously just a massive regression in user agency, and miserable, and directly undoes so much of the good that was the web. I still think this is, like, the one example. Its a bloody awful one though.
    - Ferret7446 2y ago
      Chrome was never about user agency though. The ideal Chrome is to be an un-configurable window to the Web, hence the name (it is the window chrome).
- OuterVale 2y ago
  > What features has Google killed, do you think? JPEG-XL pops to mind.
  - arccy 2y ago
    it was never alive enough to be killed
    - protimewaster 2y ago
      Apple supports it on mobile and Mac OS, so it's alive enough to be on however many billions of devices that represents.
- larme 2y ago
  > What features has Google killed, do you think? The problem is more like google can implement whatever feature they want and force it into web standard > How often has this been a problem, do you think? very often > What other browsers have gone ahead, with Google holding out? Google is holding out in a sense that no other people can implement a feature-complete browser. Google is killing the "open standard" web by make the standard impossible.
- youngtaff 2y ago
  Sure there are a lot of people on blink-dev building good thoughtful features But there are also plenty of people at Google etc who are convinced that advertising is the only way to fund the web and so build features to support that e.g. maintaining 3rd-party cookies, FLEDGE / Flock / Topics (and the rest of the deceptively names Privacy Sandbox) Advertising is a massive invasion into our personal lives and via ad networks actors (sometimes hostile) can get access to data they have no rights to

jauntywundrkind 2y ago

There's such a strong strain of dark side energy aimed at Google. It just feels so unhinged to me though. Blink-dev is an amazing mailing list of really good improvements being built intelligently, in well declared fashion, with lots of checks via standards bodies, fully open to discussion. There's very few places on the planet where such good work is so easy to see, and no where that it's so abundant. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev What features has Google killed, do you think? How often has this been a problem, do you think? What other browsers have gone ahead, with Google holding out? Google wants a competent capable successful healthy web. They want there to be an open, standards & protocols system out there, a connected rich hypermedia internet, because everything else humanity has done with computing is proprietary and trying to rely on someone else's platform is existentially hazardous.

000ooo000 2y ago
>What features has Google killed, do you think? How often has this been a problem, do you think? Unless you've been living under a rock, it's hard to miss manifest v2 vs v3.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  Agreed, that stings. Its extremely visible & painful. I want to believe there was some intent, to make extensions that weren't such an extreme hazard, so that the Google Web Store could be better. But it's obviously just a massive regression in user agency, and miserable, and directly undoes so much of the good that was the web. I still think this is, like, the one example. Its a bloody awful one though.
  - Ferret7446 2y ago
    Chrome was never about user agency though. The ideal Chrome is to be an un-configurable window to the Web, hence the name (it is the window chrome).
OuterVale 2y ago
> What features has Google killed, do you think? JPEG-XL pops to mind.
- arccy 2y ago
  it was never alive enough to be killed
  - protimewaster 2y ago
    Apple supports it on mobile and Mac OS, so it's alive enough to be on however many billions of devices that represents.
larme 2y ago
> What features has Google killed, do you think? The problem is more like google can implement whatever feature they want and force it into web standard > How often has this been a problem, do you think? very often > What other browsers have gone ahead, with Google holding out? Google is holding out in a sense that no other people can implement a feature-complete browser. Google is killing the "open standard" web by make the standard impossible.
youngtaff 2y ago
Sure there are a lot of people on blink-dev building good thoughtful features But there are also plenty of people at Google etc who are convinced that advertising is the only way to fund the web and so build features to support that e.g. maintaining 3rd-party cookies, FLEDGE / Flock / Topics (and the rest of the deceptively names Privacy Sandbox) Advertising is a massive invasion into our personal lives and via ad networks actors (sometimes hostile) can get access to data they have no rights to