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> Chinese values are worth spreading over American ones. Well the US seems to be allying itself with a murderous dictator and threatening to annex it's neighbo

> Chinese values are worth spreading over American ones. Well the US seems to be allying itself with a murderous dictator and threatening to annex it's neighbours. China is less murderous than Russia, less warmongering and for those of us in Canada/EU, probably more reliable than a potentially fully-fascist US.

riehwvfbk 2y ago
And that's why you carry out politically motivated arrests of Chinese citizens on orders from the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzhou https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wan...
- dismalaf 2y ago
  I mean, this wasn't particularly popular in Canada at the time. And yes, we did it for who we thought was our biggest ally, and the fallout definitely wasn't worth it, considering the charges were eventually dropped. Living in Canada and having European family I can tell you the attitudes towards both the US and China have shifted a lot recently.
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    The media at the time certainly disagreed: you were a "Chinese spy" if you doubted the wisdom of this arrest. Earlier, Chretien was called a traitor for not joining the war in Iraq (though history would show the wisdom of this decision later). Basically, Canada's recent history was the US saying "jump!" and Canada asking "how high?"
kulahan 2y ago
China has active concen— er, “reeducation camps” for specific religious minorities. Others are required to replace photos of their icon with photos of Xi Jinping. The man implemented social credit scores and will warn neighbors of your bad behavior, to include encouraging shunning you. Dropping the score low enough is enough to get you banned from trains and planes. Political dissidents, highly respected lawmakers, and billionaires can disappear from public at the pleasure of the president. I sincerely hope you were simply speaking out of ignorance.
- dismalaf 2y ago
  Yes, and Russia, Iran and NK are all worse than this, and the US is still cozying up to Russia for no reason at all.
  - kulahan 2y ago
    That is also wrong of the US
- lmm 2y ago
  > China has active concen— er, “reeducation camps” for specific religious minorities. "Religious minority" is one way of framing it. "Political movement that spreads notions repugnant to all decent people" would be another. Every developed country has cult deprogramming and support efforts, and that's usually seen as a good thing. > The man implemented social credit scores and will warn neighbors of your bad behavior, to include encouraging shunning you. Dropping the score low enough is enough to get you banned from trains and planes. Whereas the US keeps their no-fly list secret and requires you to figure out people's credit score from context, so that's better? Any amount of antisocial behaviour should be ok as long as you made enough money from it? > Political dissidents, highly respected lawmakers, and billionaires can disappear from public at the pleasure of the president. Whereas in the US only nobodies get black-vanned at protests, and the CIA torture flights are only for foreigners, so that's better?
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  - kulahan 2y ago
    Is this a China bot? > Political movement that spreads notions repugnant to all decent people Exactly, specifically, what is so repugnant to “all decent people” about being Uighur? > Whereas the US keeps their no-fly list secret and requires you to figure out people's credit score from context, so that's better? The US’s. Is this a serious question? Of course it’s the US. It’s the US version a hundred times over. And yes, people can act how they want. I don’t particularly give a shit how you or daddy Xi think I should behave. > Whereas in the US only nobodies get black-vanned at protests, and the CIA torture flights are only for foreigners, so that's better? Once again, I cannot tell if this is a joke or not. Yes, of course this is better. I don’t want my government actively suppressing real citizens like you do. I really do not care if they said Xi was fat, or hurt your feelings, or practiced a religion that makes you cry incessantly. In the real world, you need to get along with people you don’t like - you can’t just sterilize them in a camp. Xi is a dipshit.

riehwvfbk 2y ago

And that's why you carry out politically motivated arrests of Chinese citizens on orders from the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzhou https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wan...

dismalaf 2y ago
I mean, this wasn't particularly popular in Canada at the time. And yes, we did it for who we thought was our biggest ally, and the fallout definitely wasn't worth it, considering the charges were eventually dropped. Living in Canada and having European family I can tell you the attitudes towards both the US and China have shifted a lot recently.
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  The media at the time certainly disagreed: you were a "Chinese spy" if you doubted the wisdom of this arrest. Earlier, Chretien was called a traitor for not joining the war in Iraq (though history would show the wisdom of this decision later). Basically, Canada's recent history was the US saying "jump!" and Canada asking "how high?"

kulahan 2y ago

China has active concen— er, “reeducation camps” for specific religious minorities. Others are required to replace photos of their icon with photos of Xi Jinping. The man implemented social credit scores and will warn neighbors of your bad behavior, to include encouraging shunning you. Dropping the score low enough is enough to get you banned from trains and planes. Political dissidents, highly respected lawmakers, and billionaires can disappear from public at the pleasure of the president. I sincerely hope you were simply speaking out of ignorance.

dismalaf 2y ago
Yes, and Russia, Iran and NK are all worse than this, and the US is still cozying up to Russia for no reason at all.
- kulahan 2y ago
  That is also wrong of the US
lmm 2y ago
> China has active concen— er, “reeducation camps” for specific religious minorities. "Religious minority" is one way of framing it. "Political movement that spreads notions repugnant to all decent people" would be another. Every developed country has cult deprogramming and support efforts, and that's usually seen as a good thing. > The man implemented social credit scores and will warn neighbors of your bad behavior, to include encouraging shunning you. Dropping the score low enough is enough to get you banned from trains and planes. Whereas the US keeps their no-fly list secret and requires you to figure out people's credit score from context, so that's better? Any amount of antisocial behaviour should be ok as long as you made enough money from it? > Political dissidents, highly respected lawmakers, and billionaires can disappear from public at the pleasure of the president. Whereas in the US only nobodies get black-vanned at protests, and the CIA torture flights are only for foreigners, so that's better?
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- kulahan 2y ago
  Is this a China bot? > Political movement that spreads notions repugnant to all decent people Exactly, specifically, what is so repugnant to “all decent people” about being Uighur? > Whereas the US keeps their no-fly list secret and requires you to figure out people's credit score from context, so that's better? The US’s. Is this a serious question? Of course it’s the US. It’s the US version a hundred times over. And yes, people can act how they want. I don’t particularly give a shit how you or daddy Xi think I should behave. > Whereas in the US only nobodies get black-vanned at protests, and the CIA torture flights are only for foreigners, so that's better? Once again, I cannot tell if this is a joke or not. Yes, of course this is better. I don’t want my government actively suppressing real citizens like you do. I really do not care if they said Xi was fat, or hurt your feelings, or practiced a religion that makes you cry incessantly. In the real world, you need to get along with people you don’t like - you can’t just sterilize them in a camp. Xi is a dipshit.