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> Canadian woman put in chains, detained by ICE after entering San Diego border > She said the officer refused to allow her to go back to Mexico and ordered he

by gm678 2y ago

> Canadian woman put in chains, detained by ICE after entering San Diego border > She said the officer refused to allow her to go back to Mexico and ordered her to be detained. She was kept in a cold room at the border by CBP before being arrested by ICE, who placed her at the Otay Mesa Detention Center. Mooney claimed in the middle of the night she, along with a group of 30 other women, was rounded up to get transferred to a facility in Arizona. CBP wouldn’t tell Team 10 the reason for Mooney’s detention, citing privacy restrictions. https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-so-inhumane-canadian-woman-put-in-chains-detained-by-ice-after-entering-san-diego-border https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-s... > A German tourist detained by US immigration authorities is due to be deported back to Germany on Tuesday after spending more than six weeks in detention, including eight days in solitary confinement. Both Germans were held at the Otay Mesa Detention Center, a prison in San Diego, California. Brösche and Lofving had attempted to enter the US from Tijuana in Mexico on 25 January. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourists-ordeal-reportedly-ending-returned-from-us-detention https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourist...

Alupis 2y ago
If you believe that's the entire story - walked across the border was arrested - then I have a bridge to sell you...
- acdha 2y ago
  If you were right, they could easily clear the record by actually charging her. In several of the cases, they held people for extended periods rather than letting them leave the country which they really shouldn’t be doing if they don’t have enough evidence for at least one charge.
  - Alupis 2y ago
    The linked articles have no information in them, except a sob story told through one perspective. For all we know, the US was coordinating extradition or release into their home country. A person attempting to illegally crossing the border (such as the two in the article) have committed a crime and could be held on that alone - yet they were released back to their home country. Seems like a pretty good ending for them, unless you are advocating they should be charged and imprisoned here for longer?
    - wrboyce 2y ago
      What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? If you think that is a proportional response you are a nasty, nasty person.
      - ignotus02 2y ago
        One that has individuals in government with a history advocating for private prisons where most undocumented immigrants are housed. 6 weeks probably leads to some solid profits for the bottom line. Solitary is probably a bonus charge.
      - worik 2y ago
        > What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? The USA. Or Russia Tweedledum and Tweedledee
      - chgs 2y ago
        Needs to be some reciprocation on American “digital nomads” on tourist visa.
    - jakefromstatecs 2y ago
      > The linked articles have no information in them, except a sob story told through one perspective. Here, how about this article: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jasmine-mooney-canadian-detained-ice-us-mexico/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jasmine-mooney-canadian-detaine... If this is not sufficient (It includes statements from an ICE spokesperson), then please do mention what type of evidence it is that you're looking for. > For all we know, the US was coordinating extradition or release into their home country. The evidence that we have does not indicate that, and in fact, indicates that these Jasmine Mooney was unnecessarily held for 6 days across two different locations, then unnecessarily transferred to Arizona for an additional period of time. It seems like a very faulty thought process to pretend that there exists evidence to contradict what the current evidence suggests, rather than to simply base your judgement on available evidence. > A person attempting to illegally crossing the border (such as the two in the article) have committed a crime and could be held on that alone Jasmine Mooney - a Canadian citizen, was crossing the boarder, with the paperwork for a work visa, in order to turn them into the US consulate to apply for the visa. This isn't even required by the way under NAFTA: https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/tn-nafta-professionals#acc--content2:~:text=If%20you%20are,flight%20inspection%20station https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary.... It specifically notes that Canadian citizens need not apply at the U.S. consulate, contrary to the information provided by the customs agent. How reasonable is it to you, that a person would attempt to follow the correct procedure to apply for a work visa according to the U.S. government's own website, then be detained and transferred several times, one of them being literally to a detention facility 209 miles away simply because her visa was denied at the border of Mexico (Before she even entered the U.S. by the way) Here's another source for this, which includes statements by an immigration lawyer noting how unusual the handling of this is: https://globalnews.ca/news/11080371/canadian-woman-detained-ice-example-immigration-border/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11080371/canadian-woman-detained-... > Seems like a pretty good ending for them, unless you are advocating they should be charged and imprisoned here for longer? How is it a good ending to be detained and transferred hundreds of miles because paperwork at the boarder isn't correct? Isn't the whole point that they shouldn't be in the U.S. at all? So why is it then that we waste so many resources to send them all over the U.S. instead of just denying entry?.. How does this make any sense to you?
  - pandaman 2y ago
    Immigration proceedings are usually administrative, this is why people often proclaim that visa violations are as same as parking violations. So there is no need to charge as there is no trial and there is administrative detention among the punishments. On the same note, "immigration judge" is not a member of the Judiciary but an officer of the Executive branch and "immigration court" is an Executive office as same as DMV. There are criminal charges possible but are not necessary to indefinitely detain and/or deport any non-citizen who appeared on the border.
    - acdha 2y ago
      Again, my point is simply that if there were some more serious offenses as the person I responded to alluded they could easily respond to reporters saying this isn’t a simple administrative mistake.
      - pandaman 2y ago
        You seem to be confused over the meaning of word "administrative". In this context it means that the matter is entirely in the hands of the executive power so there is no charging and no trial.
- ty6853 2y ago
  Well maybe not arrested. CBP has jailed me before but it wasn't an arrest since it is administrative. You can't even contact a lawyer like an arrested person can.
- atoav 2y ago
  Next time you live your country I wish you can feel what arbitrary tyrannical treatment at a border feel like, because it seems you are of the type that has to feel it themselves to learn.
mtmail 2y ago
The German tourist is a tattoo artist traveled with her gear. Based on another article (in German) she used a tourist visa but had clients lined up. She should've used a business visa. [edit] Found an article with more info "[her US friend] told CNN that her German friend was joining her in Los Angeles to tattoo her. She speculated that immigration officials may have misinterpreted Brösche’s statements about the project as a declaration that she’d come to the US to work." https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice-intl-latam/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice... As an IT worker I'm worried of cause because my 'gear' is a laptop and I usually travel with a laptop.
- atoav 2y ago
  I decided not to visit (let alone work in) the US until it has adopted legal standards and enforcement that are suitable for a developed nation. The latest political developments have tanked my trust in the US even more. And I don't mean you can't somehow get legal remedies when you have sufficient funds and time if someone mistreats you. In the US you can even get legal remedy when you were in the wrong, if you have the funds. I mean that the people down on the ground seem to act with arbitariness and no respect for the law or what is just, be it the police, border officers, employers, or whatnot. Police officers telling a perfectly calm person they are "resisting" is not normal. And the fact that a whole society seems to have given up on trying to solve that kind of uncivilized behavior (or is even defending it!) makes it worse. If I want an adventure that can end my life I go into the mountains, there at least the air is nice.
  - zeroc8 2y ago
    Same here. I hate having to do business trips to the US. Unfortunately, our most important customer is from there, which forces me to travel once in a while. But the whole experience just sucks.

by gm678 2y ago

Alupis 2y ago

If you believe that's the entire story - walked across the border was arrested - then I have a bridge to sell you...

acdha 2y ago
If you were right, they could easily clear the record by actually charging her. In several of the cases, they held people for extended periods rather than letting them leave the country which they really shouldn’t be doing if they don’t have enough evidence for at least one charge.
- Alupis 2y ago
  The linked articles have no information in them, except a sob story told through one perspective. For all we know, the US was coordinating extradition or release into their home country. A person attempting to illegally crossing the border (such as the two in the article) have committed a crime and could be held on that alone - yet they were released back to their home country. Seems like a pretty good ending for them, unless you are advocating they should be charged and imprisoned here for longer?
  - wrboyce 2y ago
    What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? If you think that is a proportional response you are a nasty, nasty person.
    - ignotus02 2y ago
      One that has individuals in government with a history advocating for private prisons where most undocumented immigrants are housed. 6 weeks probably leads to some solid profits for the bottom line. Solitary is probably a bonus charge.
    - worik 2y ago
      > What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? The USA. Or Russia Tweedledum and Tweedledee
    - chgs 2y ago
      Needs to be some reciprocation on American “digital nomads” on tourist visa.
  - jakefromstatecs 2y ago
    > The linked articles have no information in them, except a sob story told through one perspective. Here, how about this article: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jasmine-mooney-canadian-detained-ice-us-mexico/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jasmine-mooney-canadian-detaine... If this is not sufficient (It includes statements from an ICE spokesperson), then please do mention what type of evidence it is that you're looking for. > For all we know, the US was coordinating extradition or release into their home country. The evidence that we have does not indicate that, and in fact, indicates that these Jasmine Mooney was unnecessarily held for 6 days across two different locations, then unnecessarily transferred to Arizona for an additional period of time. It seems like a very faulty thought process to pretend that there exists evidence to contradict what the current evidence suggests, rather than to simply base your judgement on available evidence. > A person attempting to illegally crossing the border (such as the two in the article) have committed a crime and could be held on that alone Jasmine Mooney - a Canadian citizen, was crossing the boarder, with the paperwork for a work visa, in order to turn them into the US consulate to apply for the visa. This isn't even required by the way under NAFTA: https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/tn-nafta-professionals#acc--content2:~:text=If%20you%20are,flight%20inspection%20station https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary.... It specifically notes that Canadian citizens need not apply at the U.S. consulate, contrary to the information provided by the customs agent. How reasonable is it to you, that a person would attempt to follow the correct procedure to apply for a work visa according to the U.S. government's own website, then be detained and transferred several times, one of them being literally to a detention facility 209 miles away simply because her visa was denied at the border of Mexico (Before she even entered the U.S. by the way) Here's another source for this, which includes statements by an immigration lawyer noting how unusual the handling of this is: https://globalnews.ca/news/11080371/canadian-woman-detained-ice-example-immigration-border/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11080371/canadian-woman-detained-... > Seems like a pretty good ending for them, unless you are advocating they should be charged and imprisoned here for longer? How is it a good ending to be detained and transferred hundreds of miles because paperwork at the boarder isn't correct? Isn't the whole point that they shouldn't be in the U.S. at all? So why is it then that we waste so many resources to send them all over the U.S. instead of just denying entry?.. How does this make any sense to you?
- pandaman 2y ago
  Immigration proceedings are usually administrative, this is why people often proclaim that visa violations are as same as parking violations. So there is no need to charge as there is no trial and there is administrative detention among the punishments. On the same note, "immigration judge" is not a member of the Judiciary but an officer of the Executive branch and "immigration court" is an Executive office as same as DMV. There are criminal charges possible but are not necessary to indefinitely detain and/or deport any non-citizen who appeared on the border.
  - acdha 2y ago
    Again, my point is simply that if there were some more serious offenses as the person I responded to alluded they could easily respond to reporters saying this isn’t a simple administrative mistake.
    - pandaman 2y ago
      You seem to be confused over the meaning of word "administrative". In this context it means that the matter is entirely in the hands of the executive power so there is no charging and no trial.
ty6853 2y ago
Well maybe not arrested. CBP has jailed me before but it wasn't an arrest since it is administrative. You can't even contact a lawyer like an arrested person can.
atoav 2y ago
Next time you live your country I wish you can feel what arbitrary tyrannical treatment at a border feel like, because it seems you are of the type that has to feel it themselves to learn.

mtmail 2y ago

The German tourist is a tattoo artist traveled with her gear. Based on another article (in German) she used a tourist visa but had clients lined up. She should've used a business visa. [edit] Found an article with more info "[her US friend] told CNN that her German friend was joining her in Los Angeles to tattoo her. She speculated that immigration officials may have misinterpreted Brösche’s statements about the project as a declaration that she’d come to the US to work." https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice-intl-latam/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice... As an IT worker I'm worried of cause because my 'gear' is a laptop and I usually travel with a laptop.

atoav 2y ago
I decided not to visit (let alone work in) the US until it has adopted legal standards and enforcement that are suitable for a developed nation. The latest political developments have tanked my trust in the US even more. And I don't mean you can't somehow get legal remedies when you have sufficient funds and time if someone mistreats you. In the US you can even get legal remedy when you were in the wrong, if you have the funds. I mean that the people down on the ground seem to act with arbitariness and no respect for the law or what is just, be it the police, border officers, employers, or whatnot. Police officers telling a perfectly calm person they are "resisting" is not normal. And the fact that a whole society seems to have given up on trying to solve that kind of uncivilized behavior (or is even defending it!) makes it worse. If I want an adventure that can end my life I go into the mountains, there at least the air is nice.
- zeroc8 2y ago
  Same here. I hate having to do business trips to the US. Unfortunately, our most important customer is from there, which forces me to travel once in a while. But the whole experience just sucks.