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It's BS. Random tourists aren't being "disappeared for no good reason". A "tourist" that overstayed by 2 years without applying for a Visa and/or started workin

by Alupis 2y ago

It's BS. Random tourists aren't being "disappeared for no good reason". A "tourist" that overstayed by 2 years without applying for a Visa and/or started working here are being deported back to their home nation - in accordance with the law. There's a tremendous amount of scaremongering, fearmongering, and misinformation being thrown about currently. Majority of it is very much over stated hyperbole.

gm678 2y ago
> Canadian woman put in chains, detained by ICE after entering San Diego border > She said the officer refused to allow her to go back to Mexico and ordered her to be detained. She was kept in a cold room at the border by CBP before being arrested by ICE, who placed her at the Otay Mesa Detention Center. Mooney claimed in the middle of the night she, along with a group of 30 other women, was rounded up to get transferred to a facility in Arizona. CBP wouldn’t tell Team 10 the reason for Mooney’s detention, citing privacy restrictions. https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-so-inhumane-canadian-woman-put-in-chains-detained-by-ice-after-entering-san-diego-border https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-s... > A German tourist detained by US immigration authorities is due to be deported back to Germany on Tuesday after spending more than six weeks in detention, including eight days in solitary confinement. Both Germans were held at the Otay Mesa Detention Center, a prison in San Diego, California. Brösche and Lofving had attempted to enter the US from Tijuana in Mexico on 25 January. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourists-ordeal-reportedly-ending-returned-from-us-detention https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourist...
- Alupis 2y ago
  If you believe that's the entire story - walked across the border was arrested - then I have a bridge to sell you...
  - acdha 2y ago
    If you were right, they could easily clear the record by actually charging her. In several of the cases, they held people for extended periods rather than letting them leave the country which they really shouldn’t be doing if they don’t have enough evidence for at least one charge.
    - Alupis 2y ago
      The linked articles have no information in them, except a sob story told through one perspective. For all we know, the US was coordinating extradition or release into their home country. A person attempting to illegally crossing the border (such as the two in the article) have committed a crime and could be held on that alone - yet they were released back to their home country. Seems like a pretty good ending for them, unless you are advocating they should be charged and imprisoned here for longer?
      - wrboyce 2y ago
        What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? If you think that is a proportional response you are a nasty, nasty person.
        ignotus02 2y ago
        One that has individuals in government with a history advocating for private prisons where most undocumented immigrants are housed. 6 weeks probably leads to some solid profits for the bottom line. Solitary is probably a bonus charge.
        worik 2y ago
        > What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? The USA. Or Russia Tweedledum and Tweedledee
        chgs 2y ago
        Needs to be some reciprocation on American “digital nomads” on tourist visa.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    Well maybe not arrested. CBP has jailed me before but it wasn't an arrest since it is administrative. You can't even contact a lawyer like an arrested person can.
  - atoav 2y ago
    Next time you live your country I wish you can feel what arbitrary tyrannical treatment at a border feel like, because it seems you are of the type that has to feel it themselves to learn.
- mtmail 2y ago
  The German tourist is a tattoo artist traveled with her gear. Based on another article (in German) she used a tourist visa but had clients lined up. She should've used a business visa. [edit] Found an article with more info "[her US friend] told CNN that her German friend was joining her in Los Angeles to tattoo her. She speculated that immigration officials may have misinterpreted Brösche’s statements about the project as a declaration that she’d come to the US to work." https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice-intl-latam/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice... As an IT worker I'm worried of cause because my 'gear' is a laptop and I usually travel with a laptop.
  - atoav 2y ago
    I decided not to visit (let alone work in) the US until it has adopted legal standards and enforcement that are suitable for a developed nation. The latest political developments have tanked my trust in the US even more. And I don't mean you can't somehow get legal remedies when you have sufficient funds and time if someone mistreats you. In the US you can even get legal remedy when you were in the wrong, if you have the funds. I mean that the people down on the ground seem to act with arbitariness and no respect for the law or what is just, be it the police, border officers, employers, or whatnot. Police officers telling a perfectly calm person they are "resisting" is not normal. And the fact that a whole society seems to have given up on trying to solve that kind of uncivilized behavior (or is even defending it!) makes it worse. If I want an adventure that can end my life I go into the mountains, there at least the air is nice.
    - zeroc8 2y ago
      Same here. I hate having to do business trips to the US. Unfortunately, our most important customer is from there, which forces me to travel once in a while. But the whole experience just sucks.
lazyasciiart 2y ago
A British tourist has been in immigration detention for weeks after she was accused of “working for room and board” by doing some household chores while staying with a family in Portland. https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article301877574.html https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article301877574.h...
atoav 2y ago
Sources say otherwise: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourists-ordeal-reportedly-ending-returned-from-us-detention https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourist...
- atoav 2y ago
  https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-from-new-hampshire-interrogated-at-logan-airport-detained https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-fr... > Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair. > She said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression.
pacomerh 2y ago
I wish it was just deporting back, putting in them in inhumane conditions is whats happening now. This admin is fcked up. No misinformation its happening

by Alupis 2y ago

gm678 2y ago

> Canadian woman put in chains, detained by ICE after entering San Diego border > She said the officer refused to allow her to go back to Mexico and ordered her to be detained. She was kept in a cold room at the border by CBP before being arrested by ICE, who placed her at the Otay Mesa Detention Center. Mooney claimed in the middle of the night she, along with a group of 30 other women, was rounded up to get transferred to a facility in Arizona. CBP wouldn’t tell Team 10 the reason for Mooney’s detention, citing privacy restrictions. https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-so-inhumane-canadian-woman-put-in-chains-detained-by-ice-after-entering-san-diego-border https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-s... > A German tourist detained by US immigration authorities is due to be deported back to Germany on Tuesday after spending more than six weeks in detention, including eight days in solitary confinement. Both Germans were held at the Otay Mesa Detention Center, a prison in San Diego, California. Brösche and Lofving had attempted to enter the US from Tijuana in Mexico on 25 January. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourists-ordeal-reportedly-ending-returned-from-us-detention https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourist...

Alupis 2y ago
If you believe that's the entire story - walked across the border was arrested - then I have a bridge to sell you...
- acdha 2y ago
  If you were right, they could easily clear the record by actually charging her. In several of the cases, they held people for extended periods rather than letting them leave the country which they really shouldn’t be doing if they don’t have enough evidence for at least one charge.
  - Alupis 2y ago
    The linked articles have no information in them, except a sob story told through one perspective. For all we know, the US was coordinating extradition or release into their home country. A person attempting to illegally crossing the border (such as the two in the article) have committed a crime and could be held on that alone - yet they were released back to their home country. Seems like a pretty good ending for them, unless you are advocating they should be charged and imprisoned here for longer?
    - wrboyce 2y ago
      What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? If you think that is a proportional response you are a nasty, nasty person.
      - ignotus02 2y ago
        One that has individuals in government with a history advocating for private prisons where most undocumented immigrants are housed. 6 weeks probably leads to some solid profits for the bottom line. Solitary is probably a bonus charge.
      - worik 2y ago
        > What sort of fucking shithole backwards country locks people up for weeks (including over a week in solitary!) for arriving with an invalid visa? The USA. Or Russia Tweedledum and Tweedledee
      - chgs 2y ago
        Needs to be some reciprocation on American “digital nomads” on tourist visa.
- ty6853 2y ago
  Well maybe not arrested. CBP has jailed me before but it wasn't an arrest since it is administrative. You can't even contact a lawyer like an arrested person can.
- atoav 2y ago
  Next time you live your country I wish you can feel what arbitrary tyrannical treatment at a border feel like, because it seems you are of the type that has to feel it themselves to learn.
mtmail 2y ago
The German tourist is a tattoo artist traveled with her gear. Based on another article (in German) she used a tourist visa but had clients lined up. She should've used a business visa. [edit] Found an article with more info "[her US friend] told CNN that her German friend was joining her in Los Angeles to tattoo her. She speculated that immigration officials may have misinterpreted Brösche’s statements about the project as a declaration that she’d come to the US to work." https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice-intl-latam/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice... As an IT worker I'm worried of cause because my 'gear' is a laptop and I usually travel with a laptop.
- atoav 2y ago
  I decided not to visit (let alone work in) the US until it has adopted legal standards and enforcement that are suitable for a developed nation. The latest political developments have tanked my trust in the US even more. And I don't mean you can't somehow get legal remedies when you have sufficient funds and time if someone mistreats you. In the US you can even get legal remedy when you were in the wrong, if you have the funds. I mean that the people down on the ground seem to act with arbitariness and no respect for the law or what is just, be it the police, border officers, employers, or whatnot. Police officers telling a perfectly calm person they are "resisting" is not normal. And the fact that a whole society seems to have given up on trying to solve that kind of uncivilized behavior (or is even defending it!) makes it worse. If I want an adventure that can end my life I go into the mountains, there at least the air is nice.
  - zeroc8 2y ago
    Same here. I hate having to do business trips to the US. Unfortunately, our most important customer is from there, which forces me to travel once in a while. But the whole experience just sucks.

lazyasciiart 2y ago

A British tourist has been in immigration detention for weeks after she was accused of “working for room and board” by doing some household chores while staying with a family in Portland. https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article301877574.html https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article301877574.h...

atoav 2y ago

Sources say otherwise: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourists-ordeal-reportedly-ending-returned-from-us-detention https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourist...

atoav 2y ago
https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-from-new-hampshire-interrogated-at-logan-airport-detained https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-fr... > Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair. > She said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression.

pacomerh 2y ago

I wish it was just deporting back, putting in them in inhumane conditions is whats happening now. This admin is fcked up. No misinformation its happening