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Lol, not often you find Welsh in the world of tech naming!
by kitd 2y ago
Lol, not often you find Welsh in the world of tech naming!
- gizajob 2y agoWho named this, are the devs welsh? It can be a bit of a bugbear of mine, when people who’ve never been to wales and certainly don’t siarad cymraeg appropriate welsh words as names, such as the sickmaking LA lifestyle brand Hiraeth. But then again the welsh did give the world the word penguin.
- mac-mc 2y agoyes they are
- gizajob 2y agoda iawn wedyn
- thaumasiotes 2y agoAre they worried that their project is going to be called "cooch"? It seems likely to severely inhibit uptake.
- erinaceousjones 2y agoit's pronounced more like "cutch" (well, for me it is anyway) :)) if the name bothers, it can be forked. looking forward to "yCont" messenger!
- thaumasiotes 2y agoI noticed that while the website says /kʊtʃ/, wikipedia's page on Welsh orthography suggests that it should be /kʊtχ/ or /kutχ/, Google Translate's automatic audio seems to produce /kotχ/ [not a typo], and the pages on Welsh orthography/phonology together suggest that /tʃ/ should be spelled "ti" [if a following vowel exists, which it doesn't here] or "ts" [regardless of whether a following vowel exists, with examples, both loanwords from English, of "tsips" [chips] and "wats" [watch]]. But I don't know anything more about Welsh than what wikipedia offers. Do you know what's going on with their suggested spelling/pronunciation? (Wiktionary has /kʊtʃ/ for the pronunciation of the English word "cwtch"; the Welsh word is given with the same pronunciation, but the spelling "cwtsh", which is equally weird as far as the material above goes. The etymology does tend to support /tʃ/ in cwtsh - it's a loan of the English word "couch".) > it's pronounced more like "cutch" (well, for me it is anyway) I would have to pronounce "cutch" as /kʌtʃ/. /ʊ/ exists (put / foot / look / nook ...), but there isn't a conventional way to spell it so it's unlikely to be used for unfamiliar words. But /kutʃ/ "benefits" from not being unfamiliar to anyone... and one of the very few things I did know about Welsh is that "w" represents /u/.
- sarahjamielewis 2y ago> Do you know what's going on with their suggested spelling/pronunciation? "Cwtch" was/is more common in casual conversation in South Wales (where fluent spoken Welsh is less common, but Welsh words are still used in both English and mixed language contexts). See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cwtch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cwtch for a summary of the cross-language context.
- gizajob 2y agoChips generally is sglodion, else just siop chips. I’d include the χ but it’s more like a tsh.
- Y_Y 2y agoIn my experience most English dialects don't have a better approximant for "voiceless uvular fricative" and so I don't think it's a terrible clwdge.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoI'd expect English speakers to approximate it with /k/ in preference to /ʃ/. (That obviously can't be done when it's following a /t/, but in that case what I'd expect is to just elide the sound completely.) I've been interested for a long time in the concept of speakers of different languages disagreeing on which sounds in one language match which sounds in the other language. I don't know of any examples, but do you think it's true that Welsh speakers find English /ʃ/ to be a better approximation of Welsh /χ/ than English /k/ is, while English speakers find /k/ to be a better approximation of Welsh /χ/ than /ʃ/ is?
- Y_Y 2y agoYou pose a great question, perhaps complicated by the fact that pretty much Welsh speakers will also have more-or-less native English (if somewhat Cambricised). Unfortunately I am merely a Q-Celt and not qualified to comment, though I'd love to see an answer from someone else. I would venture that if there is a difference it may arise from the relative differences in phoneme classifcation that result from the mother tongue (c.f. linguistic relativity of colour perception). It might even be possible to divine some of those differences by looking at tables of regional accents like those you can find on Wikipedia/Wiktionary, e.g. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Welsh_pronunciation https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Welsh_pronunciation
- sarahjamielewis 2y agoShwmae, Sarah ydw i. I co-founded the Cwtch project, and yes I was born in Wales, lived there for 20+ years, and as a result learned Welsh in school; and while I no longer live there, I still consider myself, at least in part, Welsh.
- youngtaff 2y agoDai iawn… I’ve often wondered how the rest of the world will pronounce Cwtch and Blodeuwedd Labs
- quickslowdown 2y ago"Cwotch" and "Bloodwed"
- gizajob 2y agoI used to work at Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Web Solutions Ltd, and I gotta admit we used to have a hell of a time.
- youngtaff 2y agoI lived in Llanfair PG when I was a kid
- fc417fc802 2y agoIt just seems excessive for a name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll#/media/File:Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch_stationbord.JPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll#/media/Fi...
- youngtaff 2y agoWhen I lived there all the locals called Llanfair, or Llanfairpwll or Llanfair PG The long name was created in Victorian times for tourist purposes
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- opminion 2y agocwm the n3logic interpreter